Dweezil Zappa’s ZPZ band has won this year’s Grammy for Best Rock Instrumental Performance:
“Did you feel it? The world actually fell off its axis,” said Dweezil Zappa, accepting the award for best rock instrumental performance for “Peaches en Regalia,” fighting back tears as he thought of his late father, Frank. “He dedicated this song to me when I was born and I’m dedicating it right back.”
All bickering aside, I think this is a well-deserved award for a band that is outstanding in what they originally set out to do. Kudos to Dweez and the ZPZ players.
Update 13/02: Here’s what Zappa had to say about the Grammys and award shows in general (taken from a BBC1 Zappa Special radio interview):
[audio:http://www.killuglyradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/grammy-from-hell.mp3]
(Thx Rick Wood)
Good for Dweezil; ZPZ and of course, especially, FRANK ZAPPA!!!
I’d give them one for G-Spot and maybe Dog/Meat.
I just heard a snippet on the Howard Stern show.
Nice!
Quite frankly, Dweezil doesn’t deserve this award. It’s not his music. Where was the Grammy for “Peaches en Regalia” when Hot Rats was first released? What about the fantastic players who played on that first version (Shuggie Otis, etc)? And what about all the other great musicians who played on Frank Zappa’s other albums? The Grammy’s aren’t worth fucking shit, in my opinion. Too little. Too late. If they are going to award Dweezil for something, let it be for something original, not usurping something for which his father was already ignored by and for (The Grammy for best rock/jazz album: Hot Rats, 1969).
I have to feel a bit cynical too… FZ had no respect for Grammy’s and what they stood for.. yet his family views it as important. This is why I guess FZ was who he was and his family is just another wealthy celebrity family.
With all that said, does anyone have a link for video of the band getting the award?
part four is up!
[quote comment=”4021″]I have to feel a bit cynical too… FZ had no respect for Grammy’s and what they stood for.. yet his family views it as important. This is why I guess FZ was who he was and his family is just another wealthy celebrity family.[/quote]
Indeed, as FZ once said in an interview, and I paraphrase, “you can’t live in this century and not be a cynic, not with people trying to sell you a turd wrapped in gold leaf…”
Congratulations to Dweezil and all the members of the band for this achievement. They have worked hard and deserve it.
[quote comment=”4020″]Quite frankly, Dweezil doesn’t deserve this award. It’s not his music. Where was the Grammy for “Peaches en Regalia” when Hot Rats was first released? What about the fantastic players who played on that first version (Shuggie Otis, etc)? And what about all the other great musicians who played on Frank Zappa’s other albums? The Grammy’s aren’t worth fucking shit, in my opinion. Too little. Too late. If they are going to award Dweezil for something, let it be for something original, not usurping something for which his father was already ignored by and for (The Grammy for best rock/jazz album: Hot Rats, 1969).[/quote]
Really?
Sure, the Grammys suck, and I don’t watch them,
but I’ll admit to feeling a little bit vindicated when
Frank won the Grammy for Jazz From Hell.
Now Frank’s music gets a little more attention.
How horrible! Potentially a wider audience for FZ’s
compositions? NO WAY!!!!!!
If you could, for TWO FUCKING SECONDS,
let go of your purely contrarian bile against the ZFT
this website would suck 98% less.
Or not. Whatever.
Hopefully this will give Frank a wider audience.
I have never heard anything about this song being a dedication to Dweezil…but then again they say a lot of things that don’t make sense, like “composer’s intent.”
Regardless, there is a little bit of satisfaction that – a full generation later mind you – Zappa’s music is finally being accepted by the establishment that had once rejected him. No commercial potential, eh?
Also, better late than never. It’s a beautiful song and deserves to be placed on a pedestal. If I were to sum FZ up in one song it would be this one.
Well, 98% of a 2% “Suck Factor” is rather small…
But in regards to the award:
I feel it has been earned (as I would say for any other polished symphony playing some other dead guy’s music) – and I congratulate ZPZ for the acknowledgment;
Frank disdained award shows – he always said he did it for himself, not for any accolades – and the Trust’s (Dweezil’s) “embracing” of the honor is quite telling;
That it is good PR for FZ’s music is undeniable.
So, good for ZPZ!
I can only FZ-vangelicize to so many – that kinda press is global.
C’mon, ug – crack a smile for Uncle Frank, will ya?
[quote comment=”4020″]Quite frankly, Dweezil doesn’t deserve this award. It’s not his music. [/quote]
………….This fuckin’ guy………..urbanidiotgraffito………….
what a moron. seriously…………
Can u please DIE so the rest of the FZ fans can enjoy something without your negative energy? It’s really super boring.
……….fuckin’ loser this guy……….
For what it’s worth, I partly agree with urbangraffito. The Grammy’s are garbage. Another vile strain of the incestuous popular music business that tried to starve out Captain Beefheart et al. In fact, the only reason Zappa survived was because of good business sense and, well, Europe.
Too little too late.
The only reason this award was given has to do with “image”, now that Zappa’s dead, his music can be chic and harmless… Dweezil and the family also play ball a lot more with re:to all the Hollywoodisms. So do Zappa but not nearly as shamelessly.
I mean, Gail financing Al Gore’s campaign? The website promoting H. Clinton? That must have won them some Grammypoints.
[quote comment=”4029″][quote comment=”4020″]Quite frankly, Dweezil doesn’t deserve this award. It’s not his music. [/quote]
………….This fuckin’ guy………..urbanidiotgraffito………….
what a moron.
seriously…………
Can u please DIE so the rest of the FZ fans can enjoy something without your negative energy? It’s really super boring.
……….fuckin’ loser this guy……….[/quote]
Instead of harping endlessly about his imaginary grievances,
UG might get a tattoo or a peircing. That way he could
show how cool he really is. Maybe grow some dredlocks.!
Or maybe just piss off.
I completely disagree with ZFT’s policies and
I HATE a couple of the post-mortem releases,
but good news is good news. If the Grammy for
Jazz From Hell increased Frank’s revenues, I’m sure
he wouldn’t have given the money back.
frank zappa wrote the music.
i love mostly everything thaat frank zappa wrote.
i love the fact that dweezil won a grammy for frank zappa music.
The song featured Murphy Brock & Steve Vai, so I’m guessing they recieved Grammy Awards as well? I think we can ALL agree that that’s a cool thing!
Urbangraffito: Grammy can also go to someone who is “only” a performer – Steve Vai won his very first one in 1994, lo and behold: for SOFA (FZ’s Universe)
Urbangraffito is absolutely negative about everyone, who has not his opinion, i.e. he even cuts people out of the KUR homepage. Poor little bugger he is. Probably no life.
Here is a picture about the event (I was unable to insert it in the previous post)
[quote comment=”4035″]Urbangraffito is absolutely negative about everyone, who has not his opinion, i.e. he even cuts people out of the KUR homepage. Poor little bugger he is. Probably no life.[/quote]
He is entitled to have his own opinion, as well as everybody else. Having a different opinion doesn’t mean being negative necessarily, it just mean that you have a different opinion…
[quote comment=”4036″][/quote]
Balint, don’t be shy!
[quote comment=”4030″]
I mean, Gail financing Al Gore’s campaign? The website promoting H. Clinton? That must have won them some Grammypoints.[/quote]
Are you kidding me?…………………..wow
You are as much of asshole as UrbanIdiot
Elvis won his three grammy records for gospel recordings – he didn’t write any of that shit!!! Then he won a posthumous grammy for “Hound Dog” over 30 years late.
Grammys are worthless artifacts of a corporate circle jerk.
C’mon people, everybody is entitled to say what they think, but there’s no reason to be so harsh on urbangraffito! Don’t lower yourself. It shows that your weak. But hey, thats just my opinion.
Why hasn’t anyone pointed out how ravishing Schiela Gonzalez looks in that evening gown? To put it more bluntly, that gal sure cleans up nice.
can this be converted to .mp3 file?
Cheers to ZpZ. For those dismissive, just remember that it really does work wonders for ones career. I’m sure all the players, including Napoleon, are thrilled.
[quote comment=”4027″]
I have never heard anything about this song being a dedication to Dweezil….[/quote]
The whole of Hot Rats was dedicated to Dweezil.
Of course the song is about a bowl of fruit on a table at some London Hotel. Frank sure didn’t miss any input from his muse, nothing wasted…)
To be exact, A bowl of peaches living in the Royal Garden Hotel across the street from the Kensington Market in London.
[quote comment=”4041″][quote comment=”4030″]
I mean, Gail financing Al Gore’s campaign? The website promoting H. Clinton? That must have won them some Grammypoints.[/quote]
Are you kidding me?…………………..wow
You are as much of asshole as UrbanIdiot[/quote]
“What does that have to do with my bloody music!?!?”
Arthur “Two Sheds” Jackson
on behalf of Bob,
I would like to remind everyone that UG actually likes the Plant/Krauss drivel that cleaned-up at this year’s Grammy. Is he merely being the devil’s advocate once again? Are we all falling face down in our pudding cups? And where is Uncle Bernie when we REALLY need his input?
What’s that, Bob?
That’s alright honey. I’ll empty your bedpan now…
Let’s not forget that other worthless kiss-ass industry get-together (besides the Grammys), the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The only reason Zappa got into that piece of shit was ’cause he died!
Agree 100% with urbangraffito!
[quote comment=”4029″][quote comment=”4020″]Quite frankly, Dweezil doesn’t deserve this award. It’s not his music. [/quote]
………….This fuckin’ guy………..urbanidiotgraffito………….
what a moron.
seriously…………
Can u please DIE so the rest of the FZ fans can enjoy something without your negative energy? It’s really super boring.
……….fuckin’ loser this guy……….[/quote]
i prefer more positive energy. like wishing entire villages in africa massacred and babies to be born with aids. c’mon amicus! you’re not “positive” enough!
the grammys and r&rhof suck my ass. neither of those shit filled institutions influence my music listening habits in any way. any crossover between them and me is coincidental.
Jane23 says:
[quote post=”1057″]Good for Dweezil; ZPZ and of course, especially, FRANK ZAPPA!!![/quote]
While it is obvious how this is “good” for Dweezil and the ZPZ, how is this “good” for Frank Zappa? Do you think Frank Zappa is aware that someone else just won a Grammy for a composition he wrote, and for which he never won a Grammy? Is Frank Zappa going to parlay this exciting turn of fortune into more original music by Frank Zappa?
Kevin Hoover says:
[quote post=”1057″]Congratulations to Dweezil and all the members of the band for this achievement. They have worked hard and deserve it.[/quote]
Is it their (undeniably) hard work that won them the Grammy? Is “hard work” what earns anyone a Grammy?
First Alex says:
[quote post=”1057″]Hopefully this will give Frank a wider audience.[/quote]
Frank is dead. What good is a wider audience to Frank?
Then Alex says:
[quote post=”1057″]Zappa’s music is finally being accepted by the establishment that had once rejected him. No commercial potential, eh?[/quote]
Is Frank Zappa’s music (as performed by someone else, decades after the creation of the composition in question) being accepted by the establishment–an establishment universally acknowledged as, uh, dented at best–really a cause for celebration?
Jane23 says:
[quote post=”1057″]frank zappa wrote the music.
i love mostly everything thaat frank zappa wrote.
i love the fact that dweezil won a grammy for frank zappa music.[/quote]
How do you feel about Frank Zappa, (who wrote the music) not getting a Grammy award for music he wrote?
What was it about Frank Zappa that *didn’t* get him a Grammy award for Peaches and what is it about Dweezil Zappa that did? Does that make Dweezil better?
Balint says:
[quote post=”1057″]Urbangraffito: Grammy can also go to someone who is “only” a performer – Steve Vai won his very first one in 1994, lo and behold: for SOFA (FZ’s Universe)[/quote]
Did Frank Zappa, the composer of SOFA ever get a Grammy for SOFA?
Did Frank Zappa have any hand in “Zappa’s Universe”–aside from writing all the music that became a vehicle for others to win Grammy awards?
Birdman! says:
[quote post=”1057″]Grammys are worthless artifacts of a corporate circle jerk.[/quote]
While this may or may not be true, one has to wonder “how does one get nominated for a Grammy award? Can “just anyone” get a Grammy award?
What if Dweezil decided instead to go on the pro golf tour and the only people “keeping Frank’s music alive” was (brace yourself) Project/Object? Even if Project/Object (for example–you can site Bogus Pomp too if you want) played “Peaches” with the same “unexpected perfection” as the ZPZ, do you think Project/Object, or Bogus Pomp, regardless of line up, would ever in a jillion years ever get a Grammy? Do you think that’s for musical reasons, or some other reasons related to “corporate circle jerking?”
Virgil Proudfoot says:
[quote post=”1057″]Why hasn’t anyone pointed out how ravishing Schiela Gonzalez looks in that evening gown? To put it more bluntly, that gal sure cleans up nice.[/quote]
Indeed. Nothing says “Frank Zappa” like suits and gowns at the Grammys.
Brenda is still learning the “quote” function, so just ignore everything Brenda has said in the previous post, since it’s just getting in the way of the fun anyway…
[quote comment=”4049″][quote comment=”4041″][quote comment=”4030″]
I mean, Gail financing Al Gore’s campaign? The website promoting H. Clinton? That must have won them some Grammypoints.[/quote]
Are you kidding me?…………………..wow
You are as much of asshole as UrbanIdiot[/quote]
“What does that have to do with my bloody music!?!?”
Arthur “Two Sheds” Jackson[/quote]
Well what does the Grammys have to do with music?
Kidding aside, I was just trying to point out the politics of ass suckery that go on in the popular music industry (which the Grammy’s celebrate, putting together a highlight reel of their best “products”). And then there’s politics with a capital “P”, same reason why Ezra Pound and Louis Celine’ never won the Nobel Prize… they never played ball either…
It’s a good thing – whether Frank is alive or bereft of life (seeing the Two Sheds quote made me realize the serious lack of Pythonisms on this site) – that his music is reaching a wider audience. Sure, he isn’t alive to see his son winning a Grammy and capitalizing off of his name…but his legacy is being carried on.
Have you read my previous comments before? I’ve done everything except recite Latin incantations to summon demons into the souls of the ZFT. I am hardly a defender of them.
But if this is an indicator that the world might, just might, be ready for Zappa, is that really a bad thing? We mustn’t be greedy.
Is there any solace in that fact? Anyone?
[quote comment=”4026″][quote comment=”4020″]Quite frankly, Dweezil doesn’t deserve this award. It’s not his music. Where was the Grammy for “Peaches en Regalia” when Hot Rats was first released? What about the fantastic players who played on that first version (Shuggie Otis, etc)? And what about all the other great musicians who played on Frank Zappa’s other albums? The Grammy’s aren’t worth fucking shit, in my opinion. Too little. Too late. If they are going to award Dweezil for something, let it be for something original, not usurping something for which his father was already ignored by and for (The Grammy for best rock/jazz album: Hot Rats, 1969).[/quote]
Really?
Sure, the Grammys suck, and I don’t watch them,
but I’ll admit to feeling a little bit vindicated when
Frank won the Grammy for Jazz From Hell.
Now Frank’s music gets a little more attention.
How horrible! Potentially a wider audience for FZ’s
compositions? NO WAY!!!!!!
If you could, for TWO FUCKING SECONDS,
let go of your purely contrarian bile against the ZFT
this website would suck 98% less.
Or not. Whatever.[/quote]
Do you recall which track off of Jazz From Hell FZ won the Grammy for? Look it up, you’ll get a real laugh, just like Frank did!
[quote comment=”4038″][quote comment=”4035″]Urbangraffito is absolutely negative about everyone, who has not his opinion, i.e. he even cuts people out of the KUR homepage. Poor little bugger he is. Probably no life.[/quote]
He is entitled to have his own opinion, as well as everybody else. Having a different opinion doesn’t mean being negative necessarily, it just mean that you have a different opinion…[/quote]
In UG’s case, having a different (contrary) opinion almost always means it’s completely negative with very little nuance. That shit just gets old…just like anyone who always DEFENDS the ZFT.
[quote comment=”4034″]Urbangraffito: Grammy can also go to someone who is “only” a performer – Steve Vai won his very first one in 1994, lo and behold: for SOFA (FZ’s Universe)[/quote]
Balint: While I do enjoy Steve Vai’s version of SOFA (just as I enjoy ZPZ’s version of Peaches en Regalia), I still hold to my opinion. Why were they awarding Grammy’s for cover versions while the original versions (which I think many would agree were far superior given both the time they were recorded) were not? And why wasn’t Vai awarded a Grammy for an original composition instead? Or am I in the very small minority that finds an unsettling contradiction in all of this?
I don’t watch the Grammys and don’t care; I walked through the room the other night while they were on just long enough to see some Ann Miller clone in pink skipping around the stage talking about kissing some other broad. However, any buzz for FZ is good, and if his son gets a Grammy and that inspires ONE PERSON to check out FZ’s catalog, it’s all good.
I’m looking forward to the American Idol show where the contestants all have to sing a Zappa song. Someone let me know if/when that happens.
[quote comment=”4058″][quote comment=”4038″][quote comment=”4035″]Urbangraffito is absolutely negative about everyone, who has not his opinion, i.e. he even cuts people out of the KUR homepage. Poor little bugger he is. Probably no life.[/quote]
He is entitled to have his own opinion, as well as everybody else. Having a different opinion doesn’t mean being negative necessarily, it just mean that you have a different opinion…[/quote]
In UG’s case, having a different (contrary) opinion almost always means it’s completely negative with very little nuance. That shit just gets old…just like anyone who always DEFENDS the ZFT.[/quote]
What are we discussing here? Myself and my opinions, or the obvious contradiction of the Grammy’s awarding other musicians awards for performing FZ’s music while they (for the most part) ignored Frank Zappa during his own lifetime.
[quote comment=”4028″]Well, 98% of a 2% “Suck Factor” is rather small…
But in regards to the award:
I feel it has been earned (as I would say for any other polished symphony playing some other dead guy’s music) – and I congratulate ZPZ for the acknowledgment;
Frank disdained award shows – he always said he did it for himself, not for any accolades – and the Trust’s (Dweezil’s) “embracing” of the honor is quite telling;
That it is good PR for FZ’s music is undeniable.
So, good for ZPZ!
I can only FZ-vangelicize to so many – that kinda press is global.
C’mon, ug – crack a smile for Uncle Frank, will ya?[/quote]
Best Rock Instrumental Performance
(For solo, duo, group or collaborative performances, without vocals. Includes Rock, Hard Rock and Metal. Singles or Tracks only.)
It’s 2009 and to
loosly quote DZ “did you feel the earth shake off it’s axis”
Award shows are governed by a committees and on rare occasion
something extremely outside the normal earthy polarity of safety takes place.
This award is not about performances from 1970 or any of FZs touring bands, it’s about a somewhat recent release that falls within
the Grammy nomination guidelines.
I fee extremely proud for all invoveld, let’s not forget
any fan of this music be it long time hard cores or new ones
and but also honorable mention,
FZs dedication to to Dweezil and Dwezzil’s dedication
to his father.
Since first seeing this band 2006 I have boldly stated
Unexpected Perfection
good night
obnoxious beans for brains analysis of talent
youth music instructor wherever you are.
Yup, what was it FZ said when he received his grammy, something like: they obviously didn’t even listen to the record, or they would have heard it was all done by me on a computer music synthesizer, except for one track. (sorry to paraphrase).
Unfortunately, in my cynical view, kudos to the ZpZ tribute band will just result in more ‘product’ from them(?) and less FZ releases? In which case, less of a chance for the Roxy dvd, etc. (Hope i am wrong about this.) Keep waiting for Gail to get out of the sixties when it comes to ‘substantial’ FZ unreleased/previously unheard material.
I’ve already expressed my appreciation for the fact that ZPZ won this Grammy, so I won’t repeat it here.
I will say however that I respect anyone’s opinion on the topic — be it positive or negative. I also wish to say that if your comment consists mostly of such terms as “asshole” and “idiot”, you have already lost the discussion.
It is easy to call people names and make that your line of defense; it is a lot harder to come up with to-the-point arguments that actually support your point of view.
Let’s keep it civilized, people.
Psychology 101: the moment you resort to yelling and throwing around gratuitous insults, that’s the moment you lose the discussion, and become obsolete in said discussion.
[quote comment=”4035″]Urbangraffito is absolutely negative about everyone, who has not his opinion, i.e. he even cuts people out of the KUR homepage.[/quote]
UrbanGraffito has done no such thing, and I know this because his capacity of KUR editor simply does not enable him to ban people from commenting. That would be me.
What do we know? Really, truly, unassailably know?
That:
• Peaches is a great song. For many it’s their favorite Frank – I get tons of requests for it.
• ZPZ plays wonderful versions of Frank’s great music, renditions which could possibly seduce people with mainstream tastes into the macabre ways of Zappaness.
• Many have philosophical differences with ZPZ’s musical approach, and with the ZFT’s attitude and lawyer-based relationship with well-meaning fans. To say the least.
• The Grammy Awards are flawed at best. They’re mostly a popularity contest and trendometer, and yet they sometimes miraculously/accidentally reward merit.
And what I personally believe is that Dweez & Co. deserve any recognition for bringing off this music so well.
So what if we don’t agree with every detail about the way they do it? Would it be better if they did nothing at all so as not to offend anonymous blog commenters?
• No.
[quote comment=”4066″]
It is easy to call people names and make that your line of defense; it is a lot harder to come up with to-the-point arguments that actually support your point of view.
Let’s keep it civilized, people.
Psychology 101: the moment you resort to yelling and throwing around gratuitous insults, that’s the moment you lose the discussion, and become obsolete in said discussion.
[/quote]
Hey let’s get this straight,
any so called “gratuitous insults” made on my part
are directed at an individual who is the CEO
of a Rock School FOE kids.
This Humpty Dumpty proprietor had the audacity to
make some prety severe performance criticism
of members of the ZPZ core band. It was fairly obvious
that not only did his human communication skills reek of sulfur but more importantly regarding his stature as an educator his ear for musical performance is in the tool shed.
Lot’s of the doscord is obviouslt predominantly
an inbred fanatical want reaction to how the ZFT runs their business
but in the case of compositional performance ZPZ performs FZs music as well as any orchestra has ever performed any given piece of music written in the history of mankind.
In this case the Grammy’s unlike that based on FZs commentary
this time they really seemed to have used their eyes and ears. I find no problem isolating the ring leader of that Rock School where at that time of April 2006 he was as nothing less than a evil proprietor spin doctoring his turd agenda.
Brenda sez:
Nothing says “Frank Zappa” like suits and gowns at the Grammys.
Frank wore suits so often in the 1980s that SNL did a parody of him with Dana Carvey as FZ wearing a suit. Ever see the jacket photo of The Real Frank Zappa Book?
Oh well, it’s so much fun to trash stuff rather than to enjoy one of the few moments when the recording industry recognizes something with the name “Zappa” on it.
Hey let’s get this straight,
Yes. Let’s do.
any so called “gratuitous insults” made on my part
are directed at an individual who is the CEO
of a Rock School FOE kids.
any Rock School in particular? They’ve sprung up all over the place…
This Humpty Dumpty proprietor had the audacity to
make some prety
pretty
severe performance criticism
criticisms
of members of the ZPZ core band.
Is it wrong to criticise? Trendy, have you ever made some “pretty severe performance criticism(s)” of your own? If the CEO in question hadn’t made these criticisms what would have happened? Would the ZPZ won two Grammys? Would the ZFT have won rather than lost their last litigation smackdown? What is the actual, objective harm in making criticism? Can you quantify the damage done to the ZFT or the “composers intent?”
It was fairly obvious
that not only did his human communication skills reek of sulfur
can a communication skill reek of sulfer?
but more importantly regarding his stature as an educator his ear for musical performance is in the tool shed.
Based on what? Says who? Does criticism against the ZPZ automatically equate to an “ear for musical performance in the tool shed”–what ever that actually means–or compromise one’s effectiveness as an educator? Trendy, can you play any instruments? Can you play any instruments as well as any of the kids at a certain sulfur smelling CEO’s “Rock School FOE Kids?”
Lot’s of the doscord
discord
is obviouslt
obviously
predominantly
an inbred fanatical want reaction to how the ZFT runs their business
just how does the ZFT run their business? Do they run it well? To what or whom are you comparing the ZFT’s business practices when making this assessment? Bernard L. Madoff’s?
but in the case of compositional performance ZPZ performs FZs music as well as any orchestra has ever performed any given piece of music written in the history of mankind.
Have you surveyed all performances of all orchestras performing all music written in the history of man kind? Are you speaking from knowledge or are you sharing your subjective feelings?
In this case the Grammy’s unlike that based on FZs commentary
this time they really seemed to have used their eyes and ears.
is this the Grammy’s way of apologising? Or is this a subtle way of saying “we” at the grammies never liked Frank Zappa, but oh do we love this corporate-tie-in/litigation/democratic-party friendly version of Frank Zappa, and here’s a Grammy to prove it? Is that the deal?
I find no problem isolating the ring leader of that Rock School where
when
at that time of
in
April 2006
2 years and 8 months ago?
he was as nothing less than a evil proprietor spin doctoring his turd agenda.
And what is he now? And where was this turd spun? Here at KUR? Trendy, if you would be so good as to remind me again what you’re talking about…it would appear this is a little off topic, and lord knows that kind of off topic cross posting doesn’t fly at that other forum…what makes you think it should fly here?
And another thing…you never answered any of my previous questions. (Don’t worry–your not alone.) But the least you can do is post your results from this quiz, which certainly you must have taken. You did take it, didn’t you? Trendy? Are you there?
[quote comment=”4069″]Brenda sez:
Nothing says “Frank Zappa” like suits and gowns at the Grammys.
Frank wore suits so often in the 1980s that SNL did a parody of him with Dana Carvey as FZ wearing a suit. Ever see the jacket photo of The Real Frank Zappa Book?
Oh well, it’s so much fun to trash stuff rather than to enjoy one of the few moments when the recording industry recognizes something with the name “Zappa” on it.[/quote]
Did Frank Zappa wear a suit every day? When did Frank Zappa start wearing suits and why? I don’t seem to recall Frank Zappa ever wearing a suit any of the times I saw him perform–only when he was on a business or politics talk show, or when he was talking to ghouls in Washington.
(If you had to choose one, Frank Zappa’s out put while wearing a suit and Frank Zappa’s out put when not wearing a suit, which one would you choose?)
But suits are cool, I guess, and if suits, ties and gowns are the new, uh, best instrumental rock apparel, then who am I get in the way of that?
Furthermore, I love it that “we” can find “satisfaction” when “something with the name ‘Zappa'” on it gets recognition, for things that the real, actual living Frank Zappa who created it did not. Better late than never!
This is not a dig at the ZPZ, who obviously worked very hard, and I guess in the end it just goes to show that hard work (and wearing a suit) really is all it takes to succeed in the world–especially at the Grammys!
Yeesh! Some of you sound like the Comic Book Guy on the Simpsons!
The Grammys are an entertainment show which sadly does have a lot of clout in the entertainment industry. Bottom line: People need to hear Frank’s music other than us obsessives. This may help- perhaps even create a new demand for archive releases as these newbies become one of us. And BTW dressing up is what one does at these events. Why would anyone be concerned about that aspect?
Yes, Frank usually walked it like he talked it, kept it real before the phrase became popular. But he’s not around anymore to do that, so I think we should not be concerned with What Would Frank Do?, and be promoting his music as much as possible, so again the Grammy may help!!
I love Frank Zappa.
I’m happy when his outstanding genius is recognized – anywhere, anytime. Congrats to ZPZ on the Grammy win. “Peaches en Regalia” – a beautiful FZ composition. I remember the first time I tried to learn it on the marimba. I still can’t play the quintuplet properly.
Thanks KUR! You’ve got a great site here. I’ll continue to come here on a semi-frequent basis (too much touring = not enough quality computer nerd time)
Sincerely,
Eric Slick
drums//adrian belew
Barry said:
“All bickering aside, I think . . . ”
Barry, look what you started with a few simple words! 🙂
I have expressed different opinions then UrbanG about ZPZ on this site, but I can’t recall him calling me a asshole or wishing my sudden demise. The whole name-calling thing sounds more like zappa.com than KUR.
I agree that Sheila G looked great.
Why worry about the grammy awards? Does it really effect you personally?
[quote comment=”4059″][quote comment=”4034″]Urbangraffito: Grammy can also go to someone who is “only” a performer – Steve Vai won his very first one in 1994, lo and behold: for SOFA (FZ’s Universe)[/quote]
Balint: While I do enjoy Steve Vai’s version of SOFA (just as I enjoy ZPZ’s version of Peaches en Regalia), I still hold to my opinion. Why were they awarding Grammy’s for cover versions while the original versions (which I think many would agree were far superior given both the time they were recorded) were not? And why wasn’t Vai awarded a Grammy for an original composition instead? Or am I in the very small minority that finds an unsettling contradiction in all of this?[/quote]
If by “upsetting” you mean “pointless”…then yea, I think your argument is pointless and driven by some inner conflict that I just don’t understand.
If by “unsettling” you mean “pointless”…then yea, I think your argument is pointless and driven by some inner conflict that I just don’t understand.
oops
[quote comment=”4056″]It’s a good thing – whether Frank is alive or bereft of life (seeing the Two Sheds quote made me realize the serious lack of Pythonisms on this site) – that his music is reaching a wider audience. Sure, he isn’t alive to see his son winning a Grammy and capitalizing off of his name…but his legacy is being carried on.
Have you read my previous comments before? I’ve done everything except recite Latin incantations to summon demons into the souls of the ZFT. I am hardly a defender of them.
But if this is an indicator that the world might, just might, be ready for Zappa, is that really a bad thing? We mustn’t be greedy.
Is there any solace in that fact? Anyone?[/quote]
Yes.
What happened to part four?
[quote comment=”4066″]
I will say however that I respect anyone’s opinion on the topic — be it positive or negative. I also wish to say that if your comment consists mostly of such terms as “asshole” and “idiot”, you have already lost the discussion.
[/quote]
UrbanAsshole deserves every negative “term” thrown his way, along with the rest of the KUR Groupies. They have shown their true colors multiple times in this website. I’ve been reading their biased bullshit without publishing a comment long enough. Whatever the ZFT & Gail’s agenda may be, (or “Sloatman” as you fuckheads refer to her as these days- how disrespectful………..but a good example of what I’m talking about….eh Barry?) you cannot change it. Petition or no petition. Even if you do not agree, it doesn’t have to be swarmed with negativity so the rest of the people who are not caught up in the drama can just enjoy it.
The energy manifested at this place toward Frank Zappa cannot possibly do any good, only harm. & what’s it all for? Beacause your precious little blogsite was threatened?
Frank Zappa’s legacy will live on for generations way past us. The fact that Peaches En Regalia received a Grammy can only reinforce this, NOT your lame, backwards, disguised-as-cynicism opinions.
[quote comment=”4079″]
[/quote]UrbanAsshole deserves every negative “term” thrown his way, along with the rest of the KUR Groupies.[/quote]
I would just like to go on record and say, I am not a groupie! I am not a groupie. I . . . I guess I’m just attracted to web sites that have a sharp look . . . like a bullett!
[quote comment=”4078″]What happened to part four?[/quote]
I’ve heard it’s up again!
[quote comment=”4079″][quote comment=”4066″]
I will say however that I respect anyone’s opinion on the topic — be it positive or negative. I also wish to say that if your comment consists mostly of such terms as “asshole” and “idiot”, you have already lost the discussion.
[/quote]
UrbanAsshole deserves every negative “term” thrown his way, along with the rest of the KUR Groupies. They have shown their true colors multiple times in this website. I’ve been reading their biased bullshit without publishing a comment long enough. Whatever the ZFT & Gail’s agenda may be, (or “Sloatman” as you fuckheads refer to her as these days- how disrespectful………..but a good example of what I’m talking about….eh Barry?) you cannot change it. Petition or no petition. Even if you do not agree, it doesn’t have to be swarmed with negativity so the rest of the people who are not caught up in the drama can just enjoy it.
The energy manifested at this place toward Frank Zappa cannot possibly do any good, only harm. & what’s it all for? Beacause your precious little blogsite was threatened?
Frank Zappa’s legacy will live on for generations way past us. The fact that Peaches En Regalia received a Grammy can only reinforce this, NOT your lame, backwards, disguised-as-cynicism opinions.[/quote]
Speak up, I can’t hear you through all your bile and vitriol.
[/quote]
Speak up, I can’t hear you through all your bile and vitriol.[/quote]
*yawn*
Grammy or not – I never thought that the Peaches interpretation by ZPZ was good.
Th.
I agree with Barry and Kevin. Although I don’t care much for these industry bizniss awards, credit where credit is due and ZPZ are accomplished musicians nonetheless.
Leave out the bad language please, and stop having a go at Urbangraffito.
I saw FZ wearing a suit once – at the Barbican in London, 1982, concert with the London Symphony Orchestra. Grey, double-breasted and it looked a size too large for him. Gail was wearing a massive fur coat. I was wearing a suit as well – dark blue – having gone to the concert straight from work. I was, however, wearing green shoes.
amicus, I know UG´s favourite song: I´M SO CUTE.
[quote comment=”4059″] Balint: While I do enjoy Steve Vai’s version of SOFA (just as I enjoy ZPZ’s version of Peaches en Regalia), I still hold to my opinion. Why were they awarding Grammy’s for cover versions while the original versions (which I think many would agree were far superior given both the time they were recorded) were not? And why wasn’t Vai awarded a Grammy for an original composition instead? Or am I in the very small minority that finds an unsettling contradiction in all of this?[/quote]
Well, I think Grammy is not an Ultimate Truth, just a prize, which might have its problems as well. But its a prize anyway, and a prize for “things happening in music” NOW. So this way no one could give one to the original Peaches or Frank Zappa himself. But Vai’s version and the ZPZ’s version happened nowadays (so to speak), and those (as they say) WERE good. Why not give them a Grammy? Its quite nice, to me – also showing (and that is the most important thing), that this music CAN be found valuable even after some 30 years after its birth. That’s nice. Did any other cover-song get any Grammys, by the way?…
On the other hand: it would be really strange if someone in the nomination comittee would say: “Well, we did not give this song a prize way back then, why should we git it now?…” Why? Because its nice music. Even NOW. Giving prizes is a positive thing anyway, it wont do any harm – but might bring things a bit further. 🙂
The award is garbage and it is a shame to have Zappa’s name and work smeared with such a distinction. Then and now.
It puts his work on par with Michael Jackson, Timberlake and the other ilk. The awards given to them have as much to do about music as the Grammy’s given to Frank and Dweezil. That is the nature of that award.
good and great a major step in keeping franks music alive a great effort
payed of for dz and the zappa family………. keep going there is i bet a lot more people listening to frank and the international exposure will fill the bank for more goodys from the vault …………..j
part four, four, four!
[quote comment=”4085″]
Leave out the bad language please, and stop having a go at Urbangraffito.
[/quote]
why do people always have to agree or disagree nicely?
fuck that.
oops! bad language! btw, did you edit out all the bad language from frank’s albums and all those times he mocked people? i guess frank lost the debate because he loaded his albums with gratuitous insults! if he hadn’t done it his way though he would have sucked as bad as the thought police he railed against his whole career.
I am new to FZ. Is Grammy good thing or bad thing?
Everything is healing nicely.
Just for the record, Hot Rats came out in 1969. The Grammy that year went to Blood Sweat & Tears (who sold a gazillion albums). I don’t think the Grammy folks were ready for Peaches at that point!
Why shouldn´t we having a go at Urbangraffito, when he is giving others at KUR a go all the time. And it´s not like Sharleena said, that he is o n l y having his own opinion. He puts other participants at KUR (i.e. those having a different sight to things than his) down in a rude verbal way very often (i.e. bernard for a start!). Ín a way it´s sad, that he makes other people stay away from KUR.
What are we discussing here, Urbangrafitto? We discuss your way of bringing others at KUR down. You know, that you are supported by the other KUR groupies (like Barry, Sharleena etc.). Good for you. Yeah, you are a real rebell, with your smoking avatar. Man, youér really great. Why don´t you calm down with you dark attitude to things a bit and let others breathe here at KUR?
schmengy says:
February 10th, 2009 at 4:20 pm » Quote
A quote from Paul Sempschi:
“What does that have to do with my bloody music!?!?”
Arthur “Two Sheds” Jackson
“Get your OWN ARTS PROGRAM, you fairy!”
Is part 78 up yet?
imo the ZpZ tribute band is lousy, but then again i don’t think there are any contemporary quality bands around anymore–being the old curmudgeon that i am.
[quote comment=”4084″]Grammy or not – I never thought that the Peaches interpretation by ZPZ was good.
Th.[/quote]
Yeah, they really suck man………………you hear all of those wrong notes?
& the approach is just all wrong. It’s almost as if they never heard the original at all…… They should take some tips from some shitty bar bands….
…….another total moron……..
Kudos to Dweezil and ZPZ! ! ! You guys deserve the recognition. I’ve enjoyed seeing ZPZ each time I went and look forward to many more times, if I’m lucky.
“Peaches” is a wonderful composition and it deserves to known by others than us obsessed fans, as stated above. Like Dweezil has said, it’s not like this music is on the radio or likely to be ever again.
And, I agree, this is an honor to win, however silly the Grammy’s are in reality, they are influencial, so I am happy. This is positive FZ news, and I’m glad to hear the news.
Hopefully the economy won’t deter ZPZ from announcing another long tour very soon!
[quote comment=”4094″]Just for the record, Hot Rats came out in 1969. The Grammy that year went to Blood Sweat & Tears (who sold a gazillion albums). I don’t think the Grammy folks were ready for Peaches at that point![/quote]
I think you are quite right, Rob, the Grammy folks weren’t ready for Peaches at that point (1969). Then again, were the Grammy awards ever about the quality of music produced by the artist, or the volume of units sold of said album that year [i.e. “Grammy that year went to Blood Sweat & Tears (who sold a gazillion albums)”]. Perhaps that is why FZ took such delight in quoting artists such as Christopher Cross and Abba in his own songs in concert? He obviously knew his albums were never going to sell in the numbers to more than a “blip” on the Grammy radar. When he did eventually win one for Jazz from Hell, if you recall, he suggested that the committee hadn’t even listened to the album because they awarded the Grammy for the only track (live) on the album not produced on the Synclavier.
[quote comment=”4088″]The award is garbage and it is a shame to have Zappa’s name and work smeared with such a distinction. Then and now.
It puts his work on par with Michael Jackson, Timberlake and the other ilk. The awards given to them have as much to do about music as the Grammy’s given to Frank and Dweezil. That is the nature of that award.[/quote]
Bravo. Well said. Applause. Applause. Positive energy.
[quote comment=”4095″]Why shouldn´t we having a go at Urbangraffito, when he is giving others at KUR a go all the time. And it´s not like Sharleena said, that he is o n l y having his own opinion. He puts other participants at KUR (i.e. those having a different sight to things than his) down in a rude verbal way very often (i.e. bernard for a start!). Ín a way it´s sad, that he makes other people stay away from KUR.
What are we discussing here, Urbangrafitto? We discuss your way of bringing others at KUR down. You know, that you are supported by the other KUR groupies (like Barry, Sharleena etc.). [/quote]
Roland, i suggest you read Barry’s (the one and only owner of this weblog) last comment. The absence of the person you mention in your example has nothing to do with any wrongdoings from urbangraffito. Please don’t assume things without knowing the details.
I can tell you tho, Barry is extatic to be his own groupie, and me, what can i say: I’M WITH THE BAAAAND…!
[quote comment=”4101″][quote comment=”4094″]Just for the record, Hot Rats came out in 1969. The Grammy that year went to Blood Sweat & Tears (who sold a gazillion albums). I don’t think the Grammy folks were ready for Peaches at that point![/quote]
I think you are quite right, Rob, the Grammy folks weren’t ready for Peaches at that point (1969). Then again, were the Grammy awards ever about the quality of music produced by the artist, or the volume of units sold of said album that year [i.e. “Grammy that year went to Blood Sweat & Tears (who sold a gazillion albums)”]. Perhaps that is why FZ took such delight in quoting artists such as Christopher Cross and Abba in his own songs in concert? He obviously knew his albums were never going to sell in the numbers to more than a “blip” on the Grammy radar. When he did eventually win one for Jazz from Hell, if you recall, he suggested that the committee hadn’t even listened to the album because they awarded the Grammy for the only track (live) on the album not produced on the Synclavier.[/quote]
Actually, I think the track “Jazz From Hell” won (i.e., the title track). He suggested they didn’t listen to the album because that piece is the most abstract on the album. (I’ll check to make sure I’m right).
I never watch the Grammy Awards, or Academy Awards or any of those glitzy suckfests because of their innate falsity. I don’t know why people get so jibbered up about them.
I wonder, are there any valid, merit-based musical awards at all?
It seems that by their nature, these sorts of competitions, which start out with a germ of idealism, wishing to recognize and reward achievement, inevitably become rife with patronage and corporate corruption.
[quote comment=”4104″][quote comment=”4101″][quote comment=”4094″]Just for the record, Hot Rats came out in 1969. The Grammy that year went to Blood Sweat & Tears (who sold a gazillion albums). I don’t think the Grammy folks were ready for Peaches at that point![/quote]
I think you are quite right, Rob, the Grammy folks weren’t ready for Peaches at that point (1969). Then again, were the Grammy awards ever about the quality of music produced by the artist, or the volume of units sold of said album that year [i.e. “Grammy that year went to Blood Sweat & Tears (who sold a gazillion albums)”]. Perhaps that is why FZ took such delight in quoting artists such as Christopher Cross and Abba in his own songs in concert? He obviously knew his albums were never going to sell in the numbers to more than a “blip” on the Grammy radar. When he did eventually win one for Jazz from Hell, if you recall, he suggested that the committee hadn’t even listened to the album because they awarded the Grammy for the only track (live) on the album not produced on the Synclavier.[/quote]
Actually, I think the track “Jazz From Hell” won (i.e., the title track). He suggested they didn’t listen to the album because that piece is the most abstract on the album. (I’ll check to make sure I’m right).[/quote]
Oh, Urbangraffito said it, so it must be in error, huh?
For anyone’s information, by the way, “St. Etienne” won the Grammy Award for Jazz From Hell.
Theory: the Grammy for Jazz from Hell was really a thank-you to FZ for speaking out against the PMRC.
Should the Grammys be taken seriously? Of course not. For every great artist that receives a Grammy, there are at least ten crappy artists that get one too. Look at the list of Best New Artists over the years, and remember that Milli Vanilli won a Grammy too.
The Grammys are designed to sell more records while the major-label music industry pats itself on the back and pretends to still be relevant.
“Gammy’s gettin’ upset!”
[quote comment=”4108″]For anyone’s information, by the way, “St. Etienne” won the Grammy Award for Jazz From Hell.[/quote]
Not sure if you’re right about that. Provide source. I’m still looking for the quote from Zappa. Anyhow, most sources list the Grammy as being given to the ALBUM Jazz from Hell.
Frank Zappa’s Grammys:
Posthumous Grammy Award (with Gail Zappa) for Best Recording Package – Boxed in 1994.
He received the Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award in 1997.
On behalf of Bob,
he would like to point your attention to the third full paragraph, page forty, “The Frank Zappa Companion” by Richard Kostelanetz. Bob further points out the book is not often cited as reference, but does shed some light and/or further dispute to the oft disputed facts – real or imaginary – regarding the JAZZ FROM HELL grammy.
gotta go. it’s Bob’s bedtime, and he gets crabby if I don’t give him a pudding cup while I lay out his jammies.
http://www.grammy.com/GRAMMY_Awards/Winners/Results.aspx
The way I look at it is this. FZ was …. a composer. He has his fans (us.) If you are a fan of a composer you don’t want the music to be irrelevant. You want to turn people on to it. I used to play the Beatles, all the classics, and FZ for my kids. I wanted them to know good music. They do.
Most people I know know very little about FZ. Kind of shocking to me, who remembers “Freak Out!” when it came out. But most people know “Nanook Rubs It”, “Dancin’ Fool”, “Valley Girl”, and FZ’s penchant for “dirty” lyrics. _That’s all_. At the same time, _most_ people watch the Grammys and are influenced by the show. A Grammy for FZ is propaganda for FZ. And propaganda for FZ just might lead someone to discover FZ, and like his stuff. And isn’t that something we all want?
the grammys:
I have to say that although i enjoy the fact that dweezil’s group won a grammy far an FZ composition, the grammy award ceremony looks like a real abomination with no relation to music whatsoever.
[quote comment=”4114″] A Grammy for FZ is propaganda for FZ. And propaganda for FZ just might lead someone to discover FZ, and like his stuff. And isn’t that something we all want?[/quote]
because propaganda’s great, when you agree with it.
96 comments so far – in a way its funny (to me), to talk THAT MUCH about a prize “I do not respect” from an organisation “I do not like”. Each person / organisation / etc. has the right to make this or that kind of lists or prizes. From some comments here it seems that this is incorrect, in a way it’s the “end of the world”. No, it is not. Its just a prize, with it’s own boundaries and stupidities and ceremonies. One might like it, one might not.
Sorry, but it reminds me of my teen years, when we loved this or that band and we thought it (and us…) to be highly valuable and intellectual, and we were truly odffended when the guy next door – who happened to be an asshole – said he ALSO liked the same music. “How dare?!?!?…” 🙂
Well, it’s STILL the same music, no prizes will reduce it’s value, and there is no “law” or order to “ban” assholes from listenning to REALLY good music. The more people listen to fine music – the more we get close to World Peace. 🙂 There even might be a group of people who make an “Organisation for Albumcovers That Have Dogs On It”, and they might choose Them Or Us for “Best Album Cover”. Cannot they do that? Yes, they can. So what? 🙂
Hey-ho, go for the next 96 comments! 🙂
[quote comment=”4112″]On behalf of Bob,
he would like to point your attention to the third full paragraph, page forty, “The Frank Zappa Companion” by Richard Kostelanetz. Bob further points out the book is not often cited as reference, but does shed some light and/or further dispute to the oft disputed facts – real or imaginary – regarding the JAZZ FROM HELL grammy.
gotta go. it’s Bob’s bedtime, and he gets crabby if I don’t give him a pudding cup while I lay out his jammies.[/quote]
Could you please provide a quote of said paragraph (after you’ve changed Bob’s bib)? Thanks for your services!
Part 99 is up!!!
Hundredth!
Ok, it’s official: we had more comments for the Grammy’s affair than for the release of Lumpy Money.
[quote comment=”4117″]From some comments here it seems that this is incorrect, in a way it’s the “end of the world”.[/quote]
The Dweez himself said, “Did you feel it? The world actually fell off its axis,”
That would be really scary stuff, if true…
THis is actually a really great time to be a FZ fan:
*Last year’s Joe’s Garage musical was a hit
*ZPZ’s dvd and cds sold as did his third (?) year of touring. They played in my town and it was standing room only, but barely that, just packed to the gills
*Zappanale won their court case!
*ZPZ won this grammy
*Some really decent ZFT releases like Buffalo, Wazoo, MOFO, among the not so good ones, but still lots of product coming out
*Many great SBD’s of 70s and 80s show available for free download keeps FZ alive in the minds of music fanatics
*Project Object on tour yet again with Ed Mann, Ike Willis, Don Preston!
And, yes, I’m trying to make myself happy and not an angry bitter FZ fan as I admit I have been!! 🙂
[quote comment=”4088″]The award is garbage and it is a shame to have Zappa’s name and work smeared with such a distinction. Then and now.
It puts his work on par with Michael Jackson, Timberlake and the other ilk. The awards given to them have as much to do about music as the Grammy’s given to Frank and Dweezil. That is the nature of that award.[/quote]
Did you ever think that Frank’s music might, just for a second or two, have elevated the Grammys? No, no. You are much too COOL and JADED to accept that possibility. To YOU, it is ONLY possible that the Grammys made Frank look stupid.
Fuck You.
[quote comment=”4126″][quote comment=”4088″]The award is garbage and it is a shame to have Zappa’s name and work smeared with such a distinction. Then and now.
It puts his work on par with Michael Jackson, Timberlake and the other ilk. The awards given to them have as much to do about music as the Grammy’s given to Frank and Dweezil. That is the nature of that award.[/quote]
Did you ever think that Frank’s music might, just for a second or two, have elevated the Grammys? No, no. You are much too COOL and JADED to accept that possibility. To YOU, it is ONLY possible that the Grammys made Frank look stupid.
Fuck You.[/quote]
the grammys are shit with or without frank.
[quote comment=”4082″][quote comment=”4079″][quote comment=”4066″]
I will say however that I respect anyone’s opinion on the topic — be it positive or negative. I also wish to say that if your comment consists mostly of such terms as “asshole” and “idiot”, you have already lost the discussion.
[/quote]
UrbanAsshole deserves every negative “term” thrown his way, along with the rest of the KUR Groupies. They have shown their true colors multiple times in this website. I’ve been reading their biased bullshit without publishing a comment long enough. Whatever the ZFT & Gail’s agenda may be, (or “Sloatman” as you fuckheads refer to her as these days- how disrespectful………..but a good example of what I’m talking about….eh Barry?) you cannot change it. Petition or no petition. Even if you do not agree, it doesn’t have to be swarmed with negativity so the rest of the people who are not caught up in the drama can just enjoy it.
The energy manifested at this place toward Frank Zappa cannot possibly do any good, only harm. & what’s it all for? Beacause your precious little blogsite was threatened?
Frank Zappa’s legacy will live on for generations way past us. The fact that Peaches En Regalia received a Grammy can only reinforce this, NOT your lame, backwards, disguised-as-cynicism opinions.[/quote]
Speak up, I can’t hear you through all your bile and vitriol.[/quote]
ha. you’re stupid. in the end you are just stupid.
[quote comment=”4127″][quote comment=”4126″][quote comment=”4088″]The award is garbage and it is a shame to have Zappa’s name and work smeared with such a distinction. Then and now.
It puts his work on par with Michael Jackson, Timberlake and the other ilk. The awards given to them have as much to do about music as the Grammy’s given to Frank and Dweezil. That is the nature of that award.[/quote]
Did you ever think that Frank’s music might, just for a second or two, have elevated the Grammys? No, no. You are much too COOL and JADED to accept that possibility. To YOU, it is ONLY possible that the Grammys made Frank look stupid.
Fuck You.[/quote]
the grammys are shit with or without frank.[/quote]
I could not agree more. On the other hand, the fact that – on American television – FZs name was mentioned, makes me feel happy.
So? Suck one!!!
It’s a shame how quickly your argument descended into the dimensions of a 15 year old. You actually HAD an interesting point about Frank making the grammy’s cooler.
Yet, I would be reluctant to expect any change in the quality of their overall taste… plus the pomp and circumstance is a bit of a gag
Peaches en Regalia winning one is not a sign that the Grammys are getting better. And I highly doubt the award was given because of ZPZ’s outstanding performance. They’re good. So was Frank. “Hot Rats” didnt win it, why should this version?
And “the Grammys werent ready for it” seems unlikely, considering “Jazz from Hell” won one [after the PMRC thing, mind you].
Have updated the OP with a soundbite from FZ where he talks about the Grammys and award shows in general (taken from a BBC1 Zappa Special radio interview) — with thx to Rick Wood. Be sure to check it out 🙂
[quote comment=”4139″]Have updated the OP with a soundbite from FZ where he talks about the Grammys and award shows in general (taken from a BBC1 Zappa Special radio interview) — with thx to Rick Wood. Be sure to check it out :)[/quote]
nice one barry (and rick).
just goes to prove that dweezil may be the heir to all things zappa but he has very little understanding of his father’s beliefs.
Personally, I’d really like to hear what Bernard has to say about all this…………
Having been threatened with bread and gruel for a month by our glorious leader, I would like to wholeheartedly apologise for the previous comment. (Is that ok, oh Great One?).
[quote comment=”4143″]Having been threatened with bread and gruel for a month by our glorious leader, I would like to wholeheartedly apologise for the previous comment. (Is that ok, oh Great One?).[/quote]
You are forgiven, my son. As such, I take it we get the spare bedroom as opposed to the floor?
[quote comment=”4142″]Personally, I’d really like to hear what Bernard has to say about all this…………[/quote]
Bernard is the funniest guy around here. Wish he would post more often.
[quote post=”1057″]You are forgiven, my son. As such, I take it we get the spare bedroom as opposed to the floor?[/quote]
Guaranteed!
And suddenly Napoleon is mentioned again:
http://www.zappa.com/whatsnew/index.html
YOOO HOOO!
I thought I’d transcribe this–the words of Frank Zappa, original writer of Peaches en Regalia,–for those who are hard of hearing, or can’t run an audio clip on their computer, or would rather ignore the actual words and “composer’s intent” of FRANK ZAPPA in their dialectic.
Isn’t it something how, in the space of one generation Frank Zappa’s attitude (or “composers intent”…your choice) towards the Grammy’s (that the Grammy’s are “fake”) can be totally, uh, “upgraded” to tearful, obsequious acceptance? Pretty neat trick that manufacture of consensus.
The suggestion that this particular “best rock instrumental” award represents some kind of “earth-shifting-off-it’s-axis” change in anything is, in light of what the actual, original Frank Zappa (composer of Peaches en Regalia) said himself, comes off as particularly thin, if not stridently ANTI-ZAPPA, and inconsistent with the composer’s intent, i.e. EVERYTHING he stood for.
Narrator: While most nominees would have been ready with a suitably ingraciating acceptance speech and a pauncy tuxedo, Zappa was unimpressed:
FZ: THE GRAMMY’S ARE ALL FAKE, so that’s just another FAKE THING. No, I didn’t go to the award ceremony, I was on the road. As a matter of a fact, I had this limousine driver in New York City who is quite a character, who was willing to go to the ceremony and pick it up in case I won, but they wouldn’t let him in, fearing what he might say if he got on stage. It’s all fake.
The whole idea of an awards show in the United States is a racket. Basically the scheme is this: You nominate huge numbers of so called stars for huge numbers of so-called awards. And the idea is that they will all show up in a theatre at the same time and sit in the audience. This gives the camera a chance to aim at anticipating faces in the audience. Now in the mind of television producers this constitutes having a star on your program, which then increases the value of the commercial time for this star studded occasion.
It doesn’t make any difference if Michael Jackson is not performing, just having him sit in a chair next to Elizabeth Taylor constitutes something that a sponsor would pay money to have his spot in conjunction with.