Son of Roxy & Elsewhere – DVD Preview


News from The Idiot Bastard: 1.) New ZPZ DVD sometimes: Son Of Roxy; 2.) new singer soon to be announced (ohh-ohh – might it be Ahmet?…), 3.) new post on the ZPZ blog, not really mentioning the above (yet?); and with some solo-samples.
The DVD above was recorded on the 12th of december – see the setlist here. I think I’ll buy it – along with One Shot Deal.

63 Responses to “Son of Roxy & Elsewhere – DVD Preview”

  1. Hugh says:

    (This is a post I made on Zappateers. I think it’s worth repeating)

    I love ZPZ. I ‘ve seen them 5 times. All fun shows.

    But I wouldn’t buy this in a million years.

    Frankly, we have all been waiting much too long for the real Roxy.

    Son of Roxy? You’ve got to kidding me? I feel insulted.

    Hey Dweezil, what came first? Frankenstein or Son of Frankenstein?

    Balint, get ready. I think we have another shit storm coming!

  2. robin says:

    Yeah ,you’re right, Hugh. But here’s my idea: ZPZ, finish this last tour (please not with Ahmet Vomit, I saw him with Z years ago in Paradiso Amsterdam, and it was nothing more than screaming and have fun with the 8 other voices in his head) and than concentrate on releasing what we’re all waiting for (do i really have to spell the wishlist?)
    and than The Real Son Of stops copying dad, and starts making his own music like What the hell was i saying or whatever. Right?

  3. C-H says:

    A quote from Hugh:

    Frankly, we have all been waiting much too long for the real Roxy.
    Son of Roxy? You’ve got to kidding me? I feel insulted.
    Hey Dweezil, what came first? Frankenstein or Son of Frankenstein?

    Quite. It really grates that THE REAL DEAL is still languishing in the Vault, apparently at one time ready to be released, while little Dweezil indulges his fantasies about being a musical genius and someone important. This is a real Fuck You to all the fans who’ve waited to see and hear Frank, Ruth, Chester, Ralph, Tom, George, Bruce and Napoleon in their finest hour, ever since the trailer was released nearly 10 years ago, or even since they first heard the album (“All through this film, Ruth has been thinking, ‘What can I do that will amaze everyone?'”). Instead we get this fake plastic facsimile. I’m extremely disinclined to buy anything from ZFT until they release the Roxy film or the full KCET TV show.

  4. Balint says:

    Uh, well, Hugh, you might be right – but anyway, this is just a post, and news we all should know about. I liked Dweezil’s sound and solo-samples here, okay, and a bit forgot about the feelings the Family made us feel. So anybody might have and share his/her own feelings about it – hopefully in a not very rude way. 🙂
    Okay, and I did not say I’m about to buy it RIGHT NOW… 😉

  5. Birdman! says:

    The only Roxy song I haven’t worn way out is Oh No / Son of Orange County. I’m more excited about the new Mastodon.

  6. potatohead Peccary says:

    This kid and his little project have taken away from the “real reason” we even deal with ZFT. Go ahead and play your ZPZ gigs. thats fine. but don’t sell us your DVD’s and CD’s. we really don’t want it. You could have spent that time workin’ on a frank release.

    I think dweez was just sheltered as a kid or something. He is starting to take this whole ZPZ thing a bit to far. I fear that 10 years from now he will still be doing the ZPZ thing. ugh!

  7. Alex says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhI0OVs_zj0

  8. Alex says:

    And now my avatar is back. Strange.

  9. Matt says:

    Ugh, that rendition of Billy the Mountain, painful. There is a reason that BtM wasn’t performed after Flo & Eddie. It was a period piece, written for a particular band with a flair for vaudeville hijinx. It wouldn’t have worked for any of the successive bands, and it certainly doesn’t work for ZPZ.

  10. Plooker says:

    I admit it, I bought the ZPZ dvd and saw them 3 times. But not this one, I may consider the pirate bay version though. I’d by copies of the “real Roxy” for everyone in my family. I have done a little video editing, it is not that hard, c’mon Dweez! Maybe you and your team of “Billy The Mountain 2008 Muteneers” should work on something important (I loved the ZPZ version of Billy by the way and can’t wait to hear it again, muted and all).

    And Birdman, your right the first solo and the backround vocals on Son of Orange county still make me smile ear to ear with a tear in my eye.

  11. Bongo "Fury" Bob says:

    I do agree that Roxy should have been released before Son of Roxy, but I think “potatohead Peccary” is being a little rude. For us younger folks “who might wear tennis shoes” that never got to see Frank play, ZpZ is a God send. I saw them on New Years and I had a little tear in my eye. Great music (even if they are covers) is a fantastic thing…

    Of course suing cover bands for preforming Frank’s songs is ridiculous.

  12. Dave D says:

    All other weirdness aside, it really seems like ZPZ is not fucking around at all, those are some excellent musicians going on there.

    Can we have the original Roxy now please? Pleeeeease? I keep reading about financial difficulties all over the place and there is the original Roxy video sitting there like a holy grail made out of pure paychecks for the band. How come there’s so many ways to delay the Roxy movie every day?

  13. Paul Sempschi says:

    Here’s a simple solution: sell the tapes.

    If Dweasel and Sloatman feel it’s such an ordeal to synch up the tape with the audio, (they’ve been working on this since at least 1996, not to mention that Frank did and edit and mix in the late 80’s) give it to someone (anyone) with a bit of competence.

    The wait for this material (as well as the “Rage and the Fury”) is needless and silly. They bitch and moan that this is such a terrible, arduous task (as it certainly would be) but it’s a task that NO ONE asked them to do… in fact, one of Frank’s death bed wishes is that she wouldnt meddle in the ‘biz’.

    If they care about the money, they should sell the archive to Rhino or EMI, if they care about indie labels, Anti’s (Tom Wait’s current label) done some good releases. These people would be more up to the task, and a larger label like WB would be able to produce more product more efficently and offer it at a cheaper rate.

    Arent the Ryko releases more readily available? Didnt THEY expose people to a larger audience than the current offerings of Bush-era Zappa releases?

    Then the fans would be able to enjoy the overexposure marketing model similar to the likes of Pink Floyd, Hendrix or Zeppelin: box sets, bonus tracks, remasters up the wazoo… and Sloatman can go back to playing the wounded widow and Dweasel can pretend to be his Dad in peace.

    On the brightside, Lumpy Gravy was a pleasant listening and a wonderful download 🙂

  14. Paul Sempschi says:

    *Lumpy Money

  15. Plooker says:

    Oh well, I will probably buy it anyway. I think I am in love with Sheila, don’t tell my wife. She is completely beautiful, inspired and a total MOFO! (and I love her shirts, did I say that?). Sorry, also her eat that question solo made me laugh and cry at the same time, my boys asked me if they should call someone for help, what a sap I am. I can’t resist.

  16. Chuck says:

    The dressing the same as the orginal Roxy is just a bit of a slap in the face too… I think Dweezil needs a light reality check on what he is doing playing in an FZ covers band milking all of FZ’s music and vocabulary…

    Just do the original Roxy damn it!!!

  17. Ian Tanner says:

    I just saw a comment posted by someone who saw ZPZ recently, and according to this fine individjimal, Dweezil has finished transferring the original Roxy video tapes to hi-def and WILL be released on DVD!!

  18. Roland says:

    It´s really a wonder, that DZ didn´t grow his Dad´s moustache!!!

  19. Hugh says:

    A quote from Ian Tanner:

    the original Roxy video tapes to hi-def and WILL be released on DVD!!

    Ian you play a mean piano, but I’ll believe it when it’s overheating my movie projector!

  20. Jamez says:

    A quote from Ian Tanner:

    I just saw a comment posted by someone who saw ZPZ recently, and according to this fine individjimal, Dweezil has finished transferring the original Roxy video tapes to hi-def and WILL be released on DVD!!

    I’ll believe when I see it! We want Roxy on DVD – with extras!!

  21. Jeroen says:

    I will buy this. In my humble opinion ZPZ plays the BEST Pygmy Twylyte I ever heard. With two or three guitars in unision – mind blowing.

  22. Sterbus says:

    I want Bill Hicks back.

  23. Thinman says:

    What is going on with the Zappas? Are they trying to replace the original with efforts like this?

    I am still suffering through any of these clean, empty and lifeless sounding performances by ZpZ and won’t buy any of their crap. I mean, muting any noise and signal between the notes on a live recording, like Dweezil does – how stupid is this? I once tried this kind of clean-up when harddisk-recording was new because you suddenly could SEE the noise. Mistakes of beginners.

    The Zappa story ended on 4.12.1993. Period. And his lifetime achievement is enough to deal with. Who needs replicas?

    Thinman

  24. Boy from Town says:

    Why are all you wimps “crying” at ZPZ shows? Get out of the audience, now.

  25. vince says:

    A quote from Hugh:

    (
    Hey Dweezil, what came first? Frankenstein or Son of Frankenstein?

    !

    You know, they say “Bride Of Frankenstein” is the best!
    I guess you meant “Young Frankenstein”…

  26. Plooker says:

    Boy from Town needs to get in touch with his feminine side. I need to get in touch with Sheila’s boobies(did I say that?)

  27. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Plooker:

    Boy from Town needs to get in touch with his feminine side. I need to get in touch with Sheila’s boobies(did I say that?)

    Plooker, you’re drooling! It’s most unbecoming…How would Ruth feel?

  28. Plooker says:

    I can only imagine, Urban (did I say that?). In my 20’s I used to be so politically correct, what happened? Sorry Everyone, no more cheap vodka for me (yeah right!).

  29. Plooker says:

    There is something about a super smart, beautiful woman ripping through Inca Roads that makes my heart beat faster.

  30. Hugh says:

    A quote from vince:

    You know, they say “Bride Of Frankenstein” is the best! I guess you meant “Young Frankenstein”…

    Well, in this case the BRIDE of Frankenstein wouldn’t be the BEST but the Scariest!
    Since their relly was no Son of Frankenstein, I’ll change my comment.

    Hey Dweezil, what came first? The Blob or The Son of Blob?
    Better?

  31. Barry's Imaginary Publisher says:

    First off: this is authentic Z news, and so Balint was right in posting it (you know, that old “don’t shoot the messenger thing”? Yes, that.).

    “Son of Roxy” though is one hell of a misleading title… For a second there, before I got to watch the clip, I thought ZPZ was going to issue a DVD with a full re-enactment of the original Roxy album right down to the very last tuplet. Be still my beating heart!

    In conclusion, as for me (regardless of whether I do or do not wish to get better acquainted with Scheila because of her musical talent slash wonderful shirts): just because this ZPZ concert was recorded at the Roxy does not at all bring it right up there with the original as of yet unreleased Roxy.

    I would think it misleads the public — deliberately or not.

    And for that reason…: I’m out.

  32. potatohead Peccary says:

    A quote from Bongo “Fury” Bob:

    I do agree that Roxy should have been released before Son of Roxy, but I think “potatohead Peccary” is being a little rude. For us younger folks “who might wear tennis shoes” that never got to see Frank play, ZpZ is a God send. I saw them on New Years and I had a little tear in my eye. Great music (even if they are covers) is a fantastic thing…

    Of course suing cover bands for preforming Frank’s songs is ridiculous.

    I am not being rude I am being realistic. I saw Project/Object about 6 years ago with Don Preston Ike, and Nap. It was one of the greatest shows I have ever seen. I can’t remember much about it now. All I know is that I was in heaven not because they played everything perfectly but the vibe and soul and humor . They really had frank’s spirit working behind them all night. it was that indescribable, intangible quality . And they came out and talked to crowd after the show , told stories about frank. and they didn’t try to sell me anything!!!!

    ZPZ sounds lifeless , like a bunch a music students trying to pass a recital. its horibble

  33. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Plooker:

    There is something about a super smart, beautiful woman ripping through Inca Roads that makes my heart beat faster.

    I know exactly what you mean, Plooker. That said, though, no matter how accomplished ZPZ’s musicians are, at least to me, they will never reach the awesome levels of musical wonderment that FZ’s Roxy band did. Side by side, it’s obvious which version is superior, and which version the fans want most of all to get their hands onto. Why they would delay Roxy’s release boggles the mind, particularly from a financial point of view. How much profit could DZGZ and the ZFT expect from a Roxy DVD? Frankly, that many $ signs make my eyes bug out…

  34. Plooker says:

    Yup, I was actually talking about Ruth in that one!

  35. Chuck says:

    A quote from potatohead Peccary:

    ZPZ sounds lifeless , like a bunch a music students trying to pass a recital. its horibble

    The dissapointing thing about ZPZ is they do play the stuff amazingly well and accurately but they lack a leader to turn them into something truly interesting or entertaining.

    Its like an orchestra with just an average conductor, they play the pieces well, but when they get a great conductor (I don’t mean one of those name ones who flys in and does one performance and wiggles hiss arse a lot) the level is raised noticeably.

    Dweezil doesn’t have that ability…make George Clinton the guest leader for a month and they would kick arse 🙂

  36. Bongo "Fury" Bob says:

    potatohead Peccary: I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I think ZpZ rips… are they as good as FZ? Dumb question. I would love to have seen FZ, but I’m too young.

    When I saw ZpZ with Nappy, Stevie and Terry, they ripped so hard and the soul was there.

    Based on your comment “ZPZ sounds lifeless , like a bunch a music students trying to pass a recital. its horibble” you would think you were quite the musician… but maybe you are just a hater… If you have something better to offer, I would be happy to take a look.

  37. Hugh says:

    A quote from Boy from Town:

    Why are all you wimps “crying” at ZPZ shows? Get out of the audience, now.

    If Dweezil can cry at a show, so can we!

    In all seriousness, I did shed a real tear at the first ZPZ tour. All those wonderful notes brought back a multitude of fantastic memories.
    But the last two tours . . . I don’t know. It just lost something for me.
    Maybe without Nappy’s energy driving the band, it just seems a little dull. And all the bad press is putting a bad taste in my mouth.

  38. Hugh says:

    A quote from Hugh:

    Since there really was no Son of Frankenstein

    I just noticed this in my Netflix queue. Son of Frankenstein 1939 here’s the description on the site,
    “In Son of Frankenstein, the doctor’s son (Basil[Dweezil]Rathbone) returns to the ancestral castle 25 years after his father’s demise. There, he meets Ygor (Bela[Gail]Lugosi), who urges the young sawbones to take up where his father left off … so to speak!”

    So there is a Son of Frankenstein and it sounds just like the monster that is called ZFT!

  39. Roland says:

    Absolutely agreed with the “lifeless” touch of music students, who play by numbers / notes. The character comes in with the guest musicians from FZ former bands. A fact to me.

    Of course they are skilled musicians, but listening to it, is like listening to a recite of a Christmas poem being performed from a kid underneath the Christmas tree to get presents.

    And how will all this go on? There will be no progression within the band due to the music itself, as it always was in all the FZ bands. I do remember that FZ said, that he hated to be a “living jukebox” at live performances, which means to play what the audience ask for. Now look at ZPZ. They are doomed already.

  40. Jamez says:

    A quote from Sterbus:

    I want Bill Hicks back.

    So do I!

  41. potatohead Peccary says:

    A quote from Bongo “Fury” Bob:

    potatohead Peccary: I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I think ZpZ rips… are they as good as FZ? Dumb question. I would love to have seen FZ, but I’m too young.

    When I saw ZpZ with Nappy, Stevie and Terry, they ripped so hard and the soul was there.

    Based on your comment “ZPZ sounds lifeless , like a bunch a music students trying to pass a recital. its horibble” you would think you were quite the musician… but maybe you are just a hater… If you have something better to offer, I would be happy to take a look.

    Okay man. Lets agree to disagree. I am not a hater, I know what I hear and what I feel. I am musician and have experience with trained musicians. They come from a mold and they need a good leader to break them out of it. The musicians in ZPZ are top notch, i’ll give you that.

  42. mike says: