Peaches, Peaches, Peaches en Regalia!




Grammy Award aside, Peaches en Regalia is a fantastic song regardless of when it is performed and by whom. These videos show Zappa Play Zappa performing the song from their live DVD; FZ and his 1988 Best Band performing the song live in Stadthalle, Wien, Austria on May 8th; the original version from Baby Snakes VHS; and students from The Paul Green School of Rock performing the track at the Baby Grande, respectively.

The following three field recordings of Peaches reveal how FZ and his bands never performed the song exactly the same way from show to show (it’s excellent fun for a Zappa freak, like myself, to listen for the similarities and differences):

Palladium, NYC, 28 Dec 1976
[audio:http://www.killuglyradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/d1-01-peaches-en-regalia.mp3]
Montreux Casino, Montreux, Switzerland, 4 Dec 1971
[audio:http://www.killuglyradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/102-peaches-en-regalia.mp3]
Hammersmith Odeon, London, UK, 28 Feb 1978
[audio:http://www.killuglyradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/03-peaches-en-regalia.mp3]

65 Responses to “Peaches, Peaches, Peaches en Regalia!”

  1. Sharleena says:

    It warms my heart to see these kids playing such a complicated composition; far from perfect but far from shabby either.
    Kudos! Keep on truckin’!

  2. Harry Barris says:

    Judging from this clip of the ZpZ version (with Napoleon & Vai) they can’t even play it at the right tempo: too slooow!

    and Travers’ drum intro is painfully pathetic.

    (that’s enough FZ covers for me for awhile.)

  3. ken duvall says:

    All I can say is, thanks for posting these !

  4. Empire Hancock says:

    [quote comment=”4154″]Judging from this clip of the ZpZ version (with Napoleon & Vai) they can’t even play it at the right tempo: too slooow![/quote]

    The Hot Rats version wasn’t exactly speedy. ZPZ doesn’t play it any slower than that.

  5. Hugh says:

    That’s a lot o’ peaches! I’m stuffed.

    ‘Montreux Casino, Montreux, Switzerland, 4 Dec 1971″
    This is a great version & the ill fated night of “Smoke on the Water”.

    I like how Tommy Mars gives the ’78 piece a ’71 feel with his Flo & Eddie like high vocals.

  6. amicus says:

    [quote comment=”4154″]Judging from this clip of the ZpZ version (with Napoleon & Vai) they can’t even play it at the right tempo: too slooow!

    and Travers’ drum intro is painfully pathetic.

    (that’s enough FZ covers for me for awhile.)[/quote]

    Aww go fuck yourself. You wouldn’t know a good version from a bad version if your life depended on it. YOU are painfully pathetic. Fuckin’ complainer………

  7. urbangraffito says:

    [quote comment=”4171″][quote comment=”4154″]Judging from this clip of the ZpZ version (with Napoleon & Vai) they can’t even play it at the right tempo: too slooow!

    and Travers’ drum intro is painfully pathetic.

    (that’s enough FZ covers for me for awhile.)[/quote]

    Aww go fuck yourself. You wouldn’t know a good version from a bad version if your life depended on it. YOU are painfully pathetic. Fuckin’ complainer………[/quote]

    All right fellow KUR-miesters, somewhere in the above comment is an actual opinion:

    You wouldn’t know a good version from a bad version if your life depended on it.

    But amicus can’t seem to refrain himself from using such personal epithets as:

    Aww go fuck yourself

    or

    YOU are painfully pathetic. Fuckin’ complainer

    that no one hears his opinion in the first place.

    Okay, amicus, let me guess what your response is going to be…

  8. Barry's Imaginary Publisher says:

    [quote comment=”4171″]
    Aww go fuck yourself. You wouldn’t know a good version from a bad version if your life depended on it. YOU are painfully pathetic. Fuckin’ complainer………[/quote]
    Aaaand with that said, amicus has been banned.

    Let me state this very clearly, once again: if anyone’s comments repeatedly contain nothing but insults and expletives aimed at other commenters, they are putting themselves on the first row for being banned.

    I will not tolerate the comment section of this blog to turn into another merry place where anyone gets to call anyone else names just for the hell of it. I will not hesitate to act accordingly.

  9. Paul Sempschi says:

    couldnt agree more, even cigarettes need filters. Censorship? Every thread has the right to self-preservation…

    I enjoyed the ’88 version for that rubbery melodic flavour, though the 76 was nice too.

  10. Roland says:

    [quote post=”1098″]Let me state this very clearly, once again: if anyone’s comments repeatedly contain nothing but insults and expletives aimed at other commenters, they are putting themselves on the first row for being banned.[/quote]

    Barry, my only hope is, that this does not turn out to be “Animal Farm”, where some are more equal than others. (Got it?)

  11. Harry Barris says:

    actually, i got a good laugh out of amicus’ reply!
    (hope he wasn’t banned [solely] on my account)

  12. Barry's Imaginary Publisher says:

    [quote comment=”4185″]Barry, my only hope is, that this does not turn out to be “Animal Farm”, where some are more equal than others. (Got it?)[/quote]
    In 8 (eight) years of “KUR The Weblog”, I have banned a grand total of 4 (four) people. Hardly “Animal Farm”, I would say. The logic here is simple: anyone who takes it as their mission to turn the comment section into a cesspool will be getting the boot. Four people banned in a period of eight years: I think that says something about (1) how cautious I am with the ban hammer and (2) the great level of discussion around these parts.

  13. terje says:

    [quote comment=”4190″][quote comment=”4185″]Barry, my only hope is, that this does not turn out to be “Animal Farm”, where some are more equal than others. (Got it?)[/quote]
    In 8 (eight) years of “KUR The Weblog”, I have banned a grand total of 4 (four) people. Hardly “Animal Farm”, I would say. The logic here is simple: anyone who takes it as their mission to turn the comment section into a cesspool will be getting the boot. Four people banned in a period of eight years: I think that says something about (1) how cautious I am with the ban hammer and (2) the great level of discussion around these parts.[/quote]

    what the hell is your problem? so the guy is a moron? we get that. i don’t need your protection from him. no one else does either. let the jackass say his retarded bit. what is the harm? 4 people banned is 4 people too many unless they are violating a law.

    this is a zappa site. you are riding zappa’s jock essentially. leave the bannings for the zft or quit your bitching about them when you pull shit like this. frank zappa himself would be banned from this site because his lyrics weren’t always p.c. i’m a big boy and i can skim over something i don’t want to read.

    FUCK BANNINGS.

  14. Barry's Imaginary Publisher says:

    [quote comment=”4191″]what the hell is your problem? so the guy is a moron? we get that. i don’t need your protection from him. no one else does either. let the jackass say his retarded bit. what is the harm? 4 people banned is 4 people too many unless they are violating a law.[/quote]
    Heh. I was expecting this. It’s quite simple terje: this entire not-for-profit site is paid for by one person — that would be me. Consider this weblog to be my home. I welcome any guests to come in and have their say. Most of the time, they really do have something interesting to say. The moment one of them shits on my carpet though, I will bloody well kick that person out of my home.

    [quote comment=”4191″]this is a zappa site. you are riding zappa’s jock essentially. leave the bannings for the zft or quit your bitching about them when you pull shit like this.[/quote]
    This is my site, my good man. What makes you think you have any say as to what I do with it? Tell you what: you chip in financially to keep KUR in the air, and then let’s talk again (it’s a mere $275 annually — I’m sure you’re able to cough up that money, yeah? Be sure to contact me.). Until then though I decide what happens. Because it’s my house. Because you are a guest that I allowed in. Because I pay the bills.

  15. terje says:

    yeah, this is your site. and you draw people using frank zappa’s name. and you have the audacity to post a guy’s comment from youtube regarding the “first amendment”. sorry pal, i’m not here for you. and neither is anyone else. make the site “barry’s wank off palace” and see how many people come to view it (probably more than i would suspect although not for the reasons you would want).

    essentially, you are a fraud. you rail against the zft and their attacks on all thing non-zft zappa and then you pull this bullshit argument.

    i don’t see you coming to anyone else’s rescue when they get personal attacks. let’s face it, it was your buddy urbangraffito that was getting it. he dishes as good as he gets.

    i’ll call your bluff. give me the admin power and i will pay for this site. you and the others can post as usual. you will just have no say over bannings or supposed unwelcome content. e-mail me barry. back it up. i’ve got no problem footing the bill. just remember, that it will be MY site then.

    i suspect it’s more than who’s site it is. it’s about ego. and yours would be crushed.

    i’ll be waiting for the e-mail.

  16. Sharleena says:

    Terje, you seem to believe that Barry somehow enjoys all this on a personal level. That is not the case. Right now he is going through sad events (a very loved person from his family is dying, to be concrete.)
    So i suggest to continue this discussion some other day. Thanks.

  17. terje says:

    i respect that.

    he can e-mail me when he is ready.

  18. Hugh says:

    [quote comment=”4191″]frank zappa himself would be banned from this site because his lyrics weren’t always p.c.[/quote]
    If you think Frank would behave that way in a discussion (or blog) because of his sometimes “blue” lyrics, take a look at this clip, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc
    from his appearence on Crossfire’ in ’86. If anybody deserved to be called an asshole it would be John Lofton of the Washington Post, but Frank keeps his cool. He knows the minute his makes any derogatory comments, then Lofton gets the upper hand. Frank wins, because he takes the high road. I can’t expect everybody to act like Frank, but he’s a great role-model when it comes to debating.
    I’d like to imagine I’m in the same room with you guys/gals during these “comment” discussions. I doubt you’d call someone at the pub an asshole to his /her face and then go back next day and expect a warm welcome.
    Just my two-cents.
    What was this post about? Oh yeah . . . peaches . . . yummy!

  19. terje says:

    hugh, john lofton is a supreme asshole. but frank does tell him “kiss my ass!”. so don’t pretend frank was always taking the high road. especially when we have a large body of work to draw from where frank purposely takes the low road for humor’s sake.

  20. jane23 says:

    Despite the horrible acoustics, bad recording quality and train wreck aspects of the performance, I loved the DSOR kids playing Peaches.
    Wonderful to see this youthful group take a whack at Zappa’s music.

  21. C-H says:

    I’ve got a better idea: if you’re so clever and righteous and have the money to spare, why don’t you set up your own site where you can say and do what you want, hmm? This isn’t some kind of public service which is owned by its users, nor is it a paid-for service where customers can expect a certain level of service for their money: no, it’s Barry’s own site and he has the right to do what he likes, and we should all thank him for providing this well-maintained forum to discuss FZ’s music and related topics. If you don’t like it, no-one’s forcing you to stay.

    Meanwhile, back on the topic, the ZPZ version is the same tempo as on Hot Rats, but it does sound quite bland and characterless – they can play the notes all right but there’s no ‘eyebrows’. This is partly down to Joe’s drumming – he’s playing a very basic rock rhythm most of the time and really sitting on the beat; the original has a much more jazzy feel to it, the snare adding a lot of syncopation and pushing the music forward. One other thing I notice from the ZPZ videos I’ve seen is that they all either just look down at their instruments or have their eyes closed; whereas FZ’s musicians had to watch him at all times: they had to know their instruments and the music well enough to play without having to look down.

  22. terje says:

    [quote comment=”4199″]I’ve got a better idea: if you’re so clever and righteous and have the money to spare, why don’t you set up your own site where you can say and do what you want, hmm? This isn’t some kind of public service which is owned by its users, nor is it a paid-for service where customers can expect a certain level of service for their money: no, it’s Barry’s own site and he has the right to do what he likes, and we should all thank him for providing this well-maintained forum to discuss FZ’s music and related topics.
    .[/quote]

    it’s so interesting to see how supposed zappa fans are so quick to bail on free speech. maybe you should watch that crossfire episode and pay attention to what frank says about words and power. amicus’s posts are mere words. frank would be firmly in my corner on this one.

    barry made the offer for me to chip in so i can have my say. i accept. i agree that this is a good site and i like what barry and his friends post. but to rail against the zft and there (over)zealous protection of zappa’s compositions is beyond hypocrisy. zappa’s compositions are more than just a home, they are his soul.

    personally, i feel that the zft are acting like a bunch of cocksuckers. no need for true zappa fans to do the same.

    if the price of free speech on a zappa fan site is the cost to host it……..i’m in.

  23. Alex says:

    1.) If this is “Barry’s Wank-off Palace,” then so be it. It’s not all Zappa all the time, and I like that (Beatles rooftop? The Tubes? Hell yeah!)

    2.) I really, really think Terje is volunteering to be KUR-exile #5.

    3.) Barry, your logic is sound and sensible. This isn’t censorship – that would be if you banned someone for liking your Tubes content but hated Zappa. What you’re doing is crowd control…grown men, too…

  24. terje says:

    [quote comment=”4201″]1.) If this is “Barry’s Wank-off Palace,” then so be it. It’s not all Zappa all the time, and I like that (Beatles rooftop? The Tubes? Hell yeah!)

    2.) I really, really think Terje is volunteering to be KUR-exile #5.

    3.) Barry, your logic is sound and sensible. This isn’t censorship – that would be if you banned someone for liking your Tubes content but hated Zappa. What you’re doing is crowd control…grown men, too…[/quote]

    the sycophants are lining up.

    and alex, please look up the definition of “censorship”. for god’s sake your embarrassing yourself son.

    any other supposed fans of frank zappa want to defend these tactics?

    anyone who thinks frank would take any stance other than mine on this issue is highly delusional.

  25. Bálint says:

    It’s a pity the 1988 version of Peaches was not released. I can imagine a “88 leftovers” albums with tunes like:

    – Peaches
    – Sharleena
    – Bamboozled
    – Baltimore (yessss!…)
    – Watermelon
    – Pound For A Brown
    – Easy Meat.

  26. xorg says:

    I’m with Barry. He can do no wrong. Terje and Amicus take your yah boos elsewhere!

    Peaches En Regalia is a wonderful piece of music and the Hot Rats version remains my favourite. It’s Ron Selico on drums and his background was with James Brown and Shuggie Otis. Joe Travers drummed previously for Duran Duran. Enough said!

  27. terje says:

    “The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater”

    Frank Zappa

  28. Hugh says:

    [quote comment=”4197″]hugh, john lofton is a supreme asshole. but frank does tell him “kiss my ass!”. so don’t pretend frank was always taking the high road. especially when we have a large body of work to draw from where frank purposely takes the low road for humor’s sake.[/quote]
    Ah, terje. You got me on the “kiss my ass!” comment. But you refuse to acknowledge my point.
    You’re right, Frank took the low road for humor’s sake. You & amicus’ low road has absolutely no humor at all, but I do see some form of intelligence coated with vile & spit.

  29. jane23 says:

    Wankers of the World Unite.
    I think the idea of turning this site into Wank-Off-Palace is splendid.
    Enough with this Zappa character already!!!
    KillUglyWankers.com

  30. SOFA - Philostopher/Chef says:

    I’m not a sycophant, but I’ve played one on TV.
    Terje, I actually respect where you’re coming from on this. Banning does suck…
    However, the ‘point’ of Barry’s “I pay the Bills” speech is not “I can’t afford my home and I need some help”, it’s HIS home and he expects some common courtesy from those who visit. I don’t think Barry is offended by any language that’s used, but rather how some language gets used…
    (I wouldn’t attempt to break any breath-holding records waiting for that email; I think Barry likes his home just the way it is.)
    I started virtually hanging out at Barry Towers in February of 1999 (Happy Anniversary, Barry) at ‘The Way I See It’. I’ve stuck around thru a lot of changes, not just because I’m honored to call Barry & Sharleena deer friends, but because – with Barry’s quiet determination – KUR is a place where folks can gather and speak civilly about FZ, Music, and the world in which we live.
    I was late to the FZ Net-fold, I didn’t go online until 1998. One of the very first things I did was subscribe to affz. The gold in this mine was soon tarnished as, for every nugget posted by Naurin, or Ulrich, you name it, there were dozens of posts by – may I use the term? – fucktards, bent on destroying an otherwise stimulating conversation.
    So long affz…
    When zappadotcom went up (in it’s present form) with the Forums, I signed up (in the first 200, if I recall), and spent a great couple of weeks communing with Naurin, Ulrich, Schenkel, and others. It didn’t take long for that party-house to sink to levels of courtesy unacceptable to me. I’m still a subscriber, but don’t visit – unless prompted by KUR.
    C-H had it right, don’t buy into KUR, start your own; that way, you can lay down the laws of courtesy at YOUR home. I’d read your site, as I find your posts here to be rather insightful. Amicus was baiting respondents (IMO) and I’m just as happy he won’t be back. You may have strong opinions, and voice them, but I do not feel you’re baiting anyone. I think Barry would be offended if he felt that the bloggers here were all toeing some kind of “company line”, or following HIS agenda. KUR thrives on dissent.
    You said only one thing that got under my skin: “anyone who thinks frank would take any stance other than mine on this issue is highly delusional.” Really? I don’t agree. There were times when Frank told people to leave his home because of behavior that did not fit the homes standard for common courtesy. Larry Fischer comes to mind…
    I don’t expect for you to condone the banning, but I’m fairly confident that you are a minority opinion on the overall issue. And I hope you will continue to provide your thoughts on other topics at KUR…
    For the Record, and to be “On-Topic”, my favorite Peaches is the one from the “World Tour” book by Evaristo (Acoustic Guitar, Kazoo, & Bongos – played from the heart), because it’s a stupid song…
    “And that’s the way I like it”
    [quote comment=”4208″]Wankers of the World Unite.[/quote]
    “Dyslexics of the World Untie!”

  31. SOFA - Philostopher/Chef says:

    Heh-heh…
    “deer friends”
    Jeez, am I from Michigan or what?

  32. jane23 says:

    [quote post=”1098″]Jeez, am I from Michigan or what?[/quote]
    SOFA, you are one of the bestest philostophers ever.

  33. jane23 says:

    there is no dog.

  34. pit of an imposition says:

    Is part four up yet?

  35. Roland says:

    If it´s 275 USD for you, Barry, I wonder how much your protected friend urbangraffito is integrated at KUR moneywise? Is he more equal than others here at your site? Obviously he is, he can bring up topics for a start. But he also pushes (often enough) very unfriendly at others. Not with words, which are not allowed to write here any more, but in other ways. You know that words can have two meanings.
    This seems to be alright for you. You made it clear, your money, your site. If people do not behave – out. Why don´t you start to sell shares of the KUR site, so that it will all become a democratic matter here. I wonder who would be thrown out here then?

    Well, a symphony never was written in a democratic way.

  36. vince says:

    [quote comment=”4206″]”The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater”

    Frank Zappa[/quote]

    Just ask Blackwater……

  37. Harry Barris says:

    At least we can all agree that Joe Travers is a basic, ordinary drummer, ill-suited for the FZ repertoire. (ducking for cover!)
    As a musician (who escapes me at the moment) said: “A band is only as good as its drummer.”
    And i think it was Peter Gabriel who eloquently stated that: a bad band with a good drummer will sound better than a good group with a bad drummer.
    But (at least) Mr. Travers is a superb “vaultmeister” partly responsible for many glorious posthumous Zappa releases!

  38. Alex says:

    [quote post=”1098″]You know that words can have two meanings.[/quote]
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p3Ue3ncH3g&feature=related

  39. Jeroen says:

    When I listen to music, I don’t concnetrate on the drummer, but I have to say: I like Joe’s work with Mike Keneally.

  40. potatohead Peccary says:

    MY GOD!! Frank was so much smarter than all of us on this blog

  41. bertanya says:

    More forum material really but it just occurred to me that en regalia has a french inflection with the en signifying in the style of, fabricated from, amonst other definitions, even if regalia is not a french word. Then the more interesting inference is that peaches in french is pêche, and a ‘sin’ is péché, only some accents away in the dictionary, though naturlich pesh vs payshay to the oreille. Generally i’m of the view that even if some of these type of observations were meticulously thought through by fz, there were plenty that were serendipities of creativity.

    So with peaches in mind, maybe there should be a sin bin instead of outright bannings. Then the folks that want to 1st amendment chez barry towers have a chance to learn from there mistakes – namely pissing the gate keeper off, while at the same time other guests don’t have to cover their oh so delicate ears against the harsh use of the 7 deadly sylables.

  42. Thinman says:

    I hope the Internet will collapse someday and we all can return to a better life.

    Th.

  43. urbangraffito says:

    [quote comment=”4216″]If it´s 275 USD for you, Barry, I wonder how much your protected friend urbangraffito is integrated at KUR moneywise? Is he more equal than others here at your site? Obviously he is, he can bring up topics for a start. But he also pushes (often enough) very unfriendly at others. Not with words, which are not allowed to write here any more, but in other ways. You know that words can have two meanings.
    This seems to be alright for you. You made it clear, your money, your site. If people do not behave – out. Why don´t you start to sell shares of the KUR site, so that it will all become a democratic matter here. I wonder who would be thrown out here then?

    Well, a symphony never was written in a democratic way.[/quote]

    Roland, I understand you may hold a different opinion from mine regarding many things, but this vendetta of your’s seems to have little to do with anything I have actually said or done (for instance, accusing me of banning your friend Bernard: he accomplished that feat on his own without my help). As for being Barry’s protected friend, if I were to shit on his living room carpet the way some visiting trolls have recently, I would expect him to ban me as well. That said, there is a very big difference between insulting someone, and the playful verbal jarring that I practice. We are all intelligent, articulate adults here are we not? Just because I may disagree with you, or your opinion, doesn’t mean I’m going to take every opportunity to rag on your character, either. Everyone at KUR has the right to their particular opinion, positive or negative, myself included. During the past week or so, while certain individuals were “having their go” at me, I stood back and said nothing (for the most part) because I wasn’t about to descend to that trollish level here at KUR, and only did respond when one of those trolls began attacking another visitor to Barry’s home (namely, one Harry Barris). Even then, I did not need to resort to insults.

    What is your problem? You don’t care for my attitude towards the ZFT? Well, as of now, I am swearing off of the ZFT. That’s right. I’m going “cold turkey”. Does that mean I’m going to cease being critical in my opinions?

    Hardly.

  44. terje says:

    this “barry’s home” shit is asinine. it is a website dedicated to frank zappa. free speech, no matter how asinine it is, is hardly shitting on cyber carpet. shit needs to be cleaned up. the equivalent of shitting on a website would be mangling the code not saying some naughty stuff.

    that is not a barry head as the icon of this site–it’s frank. this is a shrine to the great frank zappa not someone’s fucking home.

  45. Sharleena says:

    Terje, you are not right. Read the disclaimer at the bottom of the site please. Perhaps in the beginning, this used to be a place mostly dedicated to Zappa, but now it’s not (the family of the icon you worship asked us to cease and desist, at some point, which we did).
    It still is just a stupid little website, and that’s the way we like it.

  46. Bálint says:

    “…and that’s the way we LIKE it…”

  47. brett says:

    Let’s face it, Bernard really was annoying.

  48. terje says:

    o.k. sharleena. i’ll give you partly dedicated to frank zappa. but that part is much larger than the others. i don’t see a wiki or discography dedicated to anyone else around here.

    it’s a good site. i enjoy it. i don’t want anyone to get the impression that i don’t enjoy it. but much like zappa on the crossfire episode who would prefer that the parents of children decide what content is acceptable for the kids to hear i feel like i am savvy enough to know when someone is trying to rile me up. and so are most people. banning isn’t doing me any favors. i can happily scroll past any offending comment or just click on to a new subject. words only have power if i let them. now, if someone wants to spam porn, hack the code or break laws then by all means…….ban them. someone telling me to “suck it” or whatever else they want to come up with doesn’t faze me in the least.

    sofa-respect to you. i can dig a person who disagrees with me without resorting to gestapo solutions i.e. “2.) I really, really think Terje is volunteering to be KUR-exile #5”. if having a strong opinion about censorship and free speech is enough to make me #5 so be it. i’m in good company with a certain guy who’s family has run amok.

  49. urbangraffito says:

    [quote comment=”4236″]this “barry’s home” shit is asinine. it is a website dedicated to frank zappa. free speech, no matter how asinine it is, is hardly shitting on cyber carpet. shit needs to be cleaned up. the equivalent of shitting on a website would be mangling the code not saying some naughty stuff.

    that is not a barry head as the icon of this site–it’s frank. this is a shrine to the great frank zappa not someone’s fucking home.[/quote]

    Terje, no matter how one sees this site, I think we can all agree that a certain level of behavior should be expected when someone comes to this site. I’m not suggesting we all start acting like saints and remain forever on topic, but remember he who makes this weblog possible. Besides the cost of running this site, there is the time spent and also the dedication of our webmaster. One cannot place a price tag on all the hours Barry has, and still does dedicate to Kill Ugly Radio. Call me a KUR groupie, or whatever, I think this site fucking rocks. It has survived the Cease & Desist fiasco, the loss of the Friday boots, and is still an open forum for all comers. I can agree to disagree with anyone here, even you, Terje. That’s what makes KUR what it is.

  50. Rob says:

    The way I see it, Barry pays the bills for this site and has every right to invite or “un-invite” anyone he chooses. Freedom of speech goes both ways! Don’t like it? Change the channel.

  51. peter says:

    BERNARD was banned!? For what, being peculiar? Someone, please tell me the scoop so I can decide whether to continue visiting this Frank Zappa site ever again.

  52. urbangraffito says:

    [quote comment=”4253″]BERNARD was banned!? For what, being peculiar? Someone, please tell me the scoop so I can decide whether to continue visiting this Frank Zappa site ever again.[/quote]

    You obviously were not here during the worst of Bernard’s shenanigans. He ignored the themes of posts, used this site as his own personal soap box, and took to spamming the webmaster himself. It was when he began using racial slurs and stereotyping the nationalities of KUR visitors that Barry had enough and banned him. Keep in mind, this occurred over a period of at least 4 or 5 months, during which time Bernard was given countless opportunities to change his behavior.

    That’s the scoop, Peter.

  53. Thinman says:

    Back on topic: I think ZpZ have to play and practice the music for another few years to free themselves. Maybe it will come to life someday. Up ’til now they sound like a dead note-on/note-off device. Peaches is a good example for this observation.

    I had seen them 3 times live and also couldn’t help my self and bought the DVD. Watched it 1 time then shelved it.

    Th.

  54. Paul Sempschi says:

    I think the amount of posted criticism of the webmaster allowed on his site is evidence of his tolerance toward dissidence. A fairly well-constructed argument wont be banned, though a post which consists of “you’re full of shit” will probably have you ousted. And why not?

    The Zappa forum has an anything-goes policy toward abusive posts and racial slurs which created such a toxic environment that many of the posters fled here, away from the Land of the Trolls. Quality Control, pure and simple.

    And if you dont like it, start your own site with your own rules… which is a wonderful freedom to have!

  55. Roland says:

    First I have to say, that bernard was and is not my friend, I just took his side, because him being bullied. And I am absolutely against censorship, too. But to my defense I must say, that I didn´t know of bernard´s behaviour that you described, urbangraffito. Honestly. If it was like this, I would have agreed with KUR, but I am not here at this site every day.

    According to your attitude towards the ZFT, urbangraffito, we are not very far from each other on this. But it´s just, that you repeat it again and again. This comes across as pure nihilism. Everybody knows your point of view now.

    I agree with Paul Sempschi, that Barry is tolerant toward dissidence, if it lasted 4 or 5 months to try and make bernard behave. Racial slurs are no good at all.

    Anyway, why don´t we all at KUR try to wipe the table clear and start again? With a more friendly attitude to each other, without swear words (if possible), without picking on each other.

    Don´t forget to register n o t to swear!

  56. peter says:

    Ah, thanks UG. Admittedly, I do not follow the threads closely. Too bad Bernard seems to have flipped. I found his off-kilter, obscure references very amusing.
    As for the ZFT negativity, I’m all for it when they deserve it (C&D’s) but not when it comes down to CD releases. KUR spoils my enjoyment of them…though I noticed less blind bitching surrounding the Lumpy release than those previous. I never quite got the anger over the word of something new. It’s not like there is any shortage of obscure recordings available. And if one really wants to get even, simply steal it off the internet.

  57. Alex says:

    Yeah, I definitely missed Bernard’s racial slurs…got any links UG?

    I saw some of Amicus’ older comments, and yeah he was downright vicious towards certain users…

    And I’m with Roland – let’s all chill. We all love Frank, which means there’s a good possibility we have other things to bond over (Beefheart, The Residents, etc.) as well.

  58. SOFA - Philostopher/Chef says:

    [quote comment=”4271″]As for the ZFT negativity, I’m all for it when they deserve it (C&D’s) but not when it comes down to CD releases. KUR spoils my enjoyment of them…though I noticed less blind bitching surrounding the Lumpy release than those previous. I never quite got the anger over the word of something new. It’s not like there is any shortage of obscure recordings available. And if one really wants to get even, simply steal it off the internet.[/quote]

    Precisely the stance I’ve taken…
    My bitch with the ZFT is so complicated, it would take too much space to describe. And I never have, nor ever will, speak negatively about a release (not even Thing Fish). But the attitude (and service) at B-Pumpkin has changed since I pre-ordered OZ. Let’s just say a “cause”, that I used to send hard-earned money to without thought, has gotten me thinking.
    The Trust still gets my money, but not until I know what I am going to get…
    Which leads me to ask (the only drawback to the above implied “method” of previewing), is Joe’s Menage supposed to sound like a B- audience recording? The one I d-led does. A good show, but lousy recording. I have a boot with Bianca from the Tower Theater that sounds better than the Menage I have. Did I get a shit download?
    (I was actually intending to email Magic Fingers privately about this – but thought I’d open it up for group response – and the potential Flaming for not paying for the release.)

    To stay OT – I had a peach for breakfast this AM…

  59. urbangraffito says:

    Roland and peter certainly have a point. Sometimes the criticism of new releases here at KUR can become downright derogatory — particularly by those of us who were here before, during, and after the Cease & Desist affair. I, myself, admittedly, am guilty of appearing quite negative towards the TRUST in my efforts at satire. For that reason alone, I’m swearing of that topic of discussion (been there, done that, have the T-shirt as proof). And, I agree, Roland has an excellent idea, clear the table…

    Sorry, Alex, no links. But I’m certain if you dig into past KUR posts deep enough, you’ll find an item or two to chuckle or smile about.

    KUR has a massive memory capacity, people.

  60. jane23 says:

    Peaches; Dweezil; Grammy link:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWoM5Yqt2Es
    Come on now, tell me ya don’t love the Dweez.

  61. Roland says:

    “Come on now, tell me ya don’t love the Dweez.”

    Did you realize that Dweezil makes a fist, when he talks to the audience? Now I wonder what a psychologist would say to that.

    The seats at the auditorium were pretty empty, too.

    And all this emotional **** ! On the ZPZ DVD it was the same at one time. Is this real or the latest trick to involve listeners.

    It really puts me off and makes me listen to the original, either the vinyl version or the CD, but the original. Written and played by the fantastic composer of this wonderful intrumental tune.

  62. A Tinseltown Aficionado says:

    [quote comment=”4355″]And all this emotional **** ![/quote]

    What sadness, we arrived to criticize even the pure tears of a guy who’s father is dead 16 years ago… what means that the hall was empty? You cry only if you have sold out?
    That’s not fake, but the need of pointing out that those tears are not fake, in my opinion, is really really sad.

    And you do it just because sometimes he uses the hand signals during King Kong. Sad.

  63. urbangraffito says:

    [quote comment=”4353″]Peaches; Dweezil; Grammy link:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWoM5Yqt2Es
    Come on now, tell me ya don’t love the Dweez.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”4355″]”Come on now, tell me ya don’t love the Dweez.”

    Did you realize that Dweezil makes a fist, when he talks to the audience? Now I wonder what a psychologist would say to that.
    [/quote]

    I have to say that Dweezil’s album, Automatic, is among his best recorded solo work for being playful and eclectic, especially “12 String Thing”, “Secret Hedges”, and “Purple Guitar”.

    Regarding Dweezil making a fist when he speaks in public, that’s a public speaking trick, Roland. I center my nervous energy in my left foot whenever I speak publicly. Obviously, Dweezil centers his in his fist. Either that, or he does have severe psychological problems (which I highly doubt).

  64. jane23 says:

    Damn, I fell for Dweezil’s alligator tears and clenched fist trick.
    No wonder I felt a compulsion to go out and buy a copy of his My Mom is a Space Cadet b/w Crunchy Water 12 inch single.
    DWEEZIL FISTED ME!!!

  65. Roland says:

    Sorry, I might be a bit cold hearted here. But emotions being multiplied on a DVD release give me the creeps. This is marketing at it´s best. My musical hero (who made me feel, that everything is possible) is dead quite a while now. But then again, I´m not his son, who tries to make a living out of his father´s compositions. Remember the Oscars? I´ll thank my horse, my pig and my dog for supporting me for doing my paid role. Wonder what would happen if I would do that in my job.

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