The Next Zappa Release: Joe’s Menage a Trois

Shore Fire, the PR firm that has the ZFT as one of its clients states it quite clearly:

June 11
Zappa Records releases Frank Zappa’s Joe’s Menage a Trois’

The new release is also mentioned in this Variety article.

(Hat tip: Maroual)

Update June 12 2010: No mention of a release anywhere. KUR-reader Rob wrote to Shore Fire yesterday, and got this rather odd answer:

Hi there,
Lauretta at Shore Fire here. Will you please let me know where you received info on a Frank Zappa release?

You’d think the people at Shore Fire at least read their own press releases…

67 Responses to “The Next Zappa Release: Joe’s Menage a Trois”

  1. peter says:

    Pretty hard to believe Gail would permit to name it such. Maybe her therapist told her it would help? I’m not trying to be snide here!

  2. vince says:

    Maybe she actually HEARD that interview with Lorraine?!?!?!

  3. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    In other Zappa family news, Dweezil Zappa — Frank’s eldest son and a whale of a guitarist himself — is issuing the second volume of his meticulous re-creations of his dad’s music, “Return of the Son Of …” on June 22 on the Razor & Tie label. This time, Dweezil expands his canvas to 14 Frank Zappa compositions on a two-CD set, recorded live on tour mostly in Chicago by the “Zappa Plays Zappa” band. Zappa devotees will recognize the title as a play-on-words on Frank’s instrumental-only “Return of the Son of Shut Up ‘n Play Yer Guitar.”

    Now, why would any real Zappa fan want to hear Dweezil recreate excerpts from his masterpiece 3 record set “Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar”? Especially when we’ve got the actual release?

    Tsk, tsk, tsk. It appears as if DZ’s 2000 release, Automatic, is truly his last original release.

    As for Frank Zappa’s Joe’s Menage a Trois’. We witness the continued piecemeal release of Zappa’s music at incredibly high prices. Of course, I’ll buy it. What Zappa freak wouldn’t? As do, though, I’ll grumble immensely about how I detest the business practices of the Zappa Family Trust.

    They treat the fanbase very much like the alumni.

  4. metafunj says:

    Isn’t this the “Son of Roxy and Elsewhere” just another ZPZ show? Is he really playing his own versions of “Shut up…” songs?

    Also his last original work is “Go With What You Know.”

  5. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from metafunj:

    Isn’t this the “Son of Roxy and Elsewhere” just another ZPZ show? Is he really playing his own versions of “Shut up…” songs?

    Also his last original work is “Go With What You Know.”

    I’m speaking of a release without any FZ covers, metafunj. To me, “Go With What You Know” seriously lacks the unity and originality that “Automatic” did. “Go With What You Know” seems to mark Dweezil’s departure as solely independent artist and the beginning of his transfiguration into cover artist. Nothing wrong with that. Go with what you know, I guess.

  6. Birdman! says:

    I can’t imagine that “Return of the Son of…” would be re-creations of FZ guitar solos — the name just refers to the fact that Dweezil is, in fact, the son of…
    But since you mention guitar solos, I would be really excited to hear that this was an album of nothing but guitar solos and not just an album of live covers of FZ songs. A while back, someone here posted an article from a guitar magazine about Dweezil and his effects, and there was an MP3 download of a Zomby Woof guitar solo that was pretty great. Unlike a lot of things, I listened to it over and over again. 2 CDs of Dweezil guitar solos would be great.

  7. Chris Ekman says:

    Over on the Zappa.com forum a couple months ago, somebody said that they’d read in an Italian newspaper that the next release would be an EP of Zappa and Jimi Hendrix jamming together. Suppose that’s what this is? Or has Berlusconi finally gotten too old to pork models, and he’s taking out his frustrations on us Zappa fans?

  8. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Birdman!:

    I can’t imagine that “Return of the Son of…” would be re-creations of FZ guitar solos — the name just refers to the fact that Dweezil is, in fact, the son of…

    What the hell was I thinking? It’s the second live ZPZ two-CD set that Balint posted about on Friday, November 20th, 2009, entitled, “Dweezil Zappa: A Son of (a Mother of) Invention“. Sorry for the mix up.

  9. Bálint says:

    Yes, Urb, the original journalist was wrong: though Dweezil played with the words, but FZ had SEVERAL titles like “return of the son of” or so – incl. Green genes, Monster magnet, etc. The last thing I would associate it is the Shut Up series.
    Anyway, I myself welcome and wait for DZ-’s release, expecting some nice King Kongs and other stuff to be there… here are some audio samples.

  10. metafunj says:

    A quote from Bálint:

    The last thing I would associate it is the Shut Up series.

    What about, “The Return of Shut Up and Play Your Guitar”?

  11. Barry's Imaginary Publisher says:

    This just in from the Zappa mailing-list:

    A quote from Barry’s Imaginary Publisher:

    We also have a new audio release. Dweezil Zappa – Return Of The Son Of…

    It’s a double CD set with live performances from 2008 – 09. It’s available for pre-order in North America right now, here’s the link

    It will be available in stores worldwide in July. For a quick listen to all of the tracks on the CDs please visit [this link].

  12. vince says:

    Yeah! who give a crap about “Joe’s Menage a Trois”? It’s ALL about ZPZ, ‘coz THAT’S the good stuff!!

    If you couldn’t tell, I was being sarcastic!

  13. rob says:

    For some reason, the ZFT marketing “strategy” apparently says that Joe’s Menage titles are not to be spoken of at all until they suddenly appear (whether you want them to or not). I’m surprised we got this much official pre-release info! (And, yes, I’m very curious to learn its content!)

  14. Raptillicusss says:

    I hear it’s audio verite’ from the Roxy video editing sessions…

  15. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Barry’s Imaginary Publisher:

    This just in from the Zappa mailing-list:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    We also have a new audio release. Dweezil Zappa – Return Of The Son Of…

    It’s a double CD set with live performances from 2008 – 09. It’s available for pre-order in North America right now, here’s the link

    It will be available in stores worldwide in July. For a quick listen to all of the tracks on the CDs please visit [this link].

    If it smells like ZPZ, and it sounds like ZPZ, it must be Dweezil Zappa! Again and again, why does this family (and I’m speaking of Dweezil’s choice of marketing this release under his own name when it’s obviously a ZPZ production) treat Zappa alumni and their own bandmates as though they are mere employees? With that sort of attitude and treatment, everyone will eventually leave the mothership.

  16. metafunj says:

    If you go the link where the tracks are listed it says track name and then artist: Dweezil Zappa. Almost looking as if he wrote the pieces himself. I wonder what would happen if any other Zappa coverband tried this. If it does need to say artist as if anyone wouldn’t know who is performing the pieces it should read :ZPZ not just Dweezil Zappa. He couldn’t have done this show on his own.

  17. Barry's Imaginary Publisher says:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    why does this family (and I’m speaking of Dweezil’s choice of marketing this release under his own name when it’s obviously a ZPZ production) treat Zappa alumni and their own bandmates as though they are mere employees?

    A quote from metafunj:

    it should read :ZPZ not just Dweezil Zappa. He couldn’t have done this show on his own.

    While I completely agree that band members should get proper credit, in all fairness: didn’t Frank Zappa do exactly the same, once the MOI were disbanded? The difference being of course that:

    1) line-ups post-MOI would change from album to album, tour to tour, venue to venue in some cases, and more importantly:
    2) FZ, at least, was the actual composer of the tunes, whereas now it’s basically a tribute band’s front-man (DZ) who claims credit not just for the rendition – but for the composition as well… (exclamation marks!)

  18. rob says:

    A quote from rob:

    I hear it’s audio verite’ from the Roxy video editing sessions…

    …recorded on a cheap Walkman placed on the floor, under the console…

  19. rob says:

    actually, it was a quote from

    A quote from rob:

    Raptillicusss

  20. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Barry’s Imaginary Publisher:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    why does this family (and I’m speaking of Dweezil’s choice of marketing this release under his own name when it’s obviously a ZPZ production) treat Zappa alumni and their own bandmates as though they are mere employees?

    A quote from metafunj:

    it should read :ZPZ not just Dweezil Zappa. He couldn’t have done this show on his own.

    While I completely agree that band members should get proper credit, in all fairness: didn’t Frank Zappa do exactly the same, once the MOI were disbanded? The difference being of course that:

    1) line-ups post-MOI would change from album to album, tour to tour, venue to venue in some cases, and more importantly:
    2) FZ, at least, was the actual composer of the tunes, whereas now it’s basically a tribute band’s front-man (DZ) who claims credit not only for the rendition – but for the composition as well… (! ! !)

    I thought about this, Barry, and post-MOI shows were, for the most part, advertised as Frank Zappa shows (especially post 1975 and into the 1980s). There was no confusion. The tracks in Dweezil’s release, though, was advertised and performed as Zappa Plays Zappa (one need only listen to the brief excerpts). Why the confusion? Does Dweezil think his name recognition will sell more copies than Zappa Plays Zappa? I prefer to call it what it is: Zappa Plays Zappa in Chicago.

  21. Bálint says:

    Hey, we shouldn’t be so hard on this – okay, DZ and the ZFT does straaaanger things, and yes, its funny to see only Dweezil’s name as “artist” there – but to me it is simple: (maybe) the webmaster was too lazy to make it absolutely correct. When my mp3 player plays coverbands’ album, it only shows “Ed Palermo” or “LeBocal” or so – but EVERYBODY knows that these are FZ-tunes – anyway, it is written on the album in details.

    Same with DZ: he NEVER even tried to make anyone believe that HE wrote this or that tune. The audio samples up there – hey, thats a mistake, but after all, DZ (as I remember) never tried to hint that HE made this or that on his own:

    “I was inspired to create a record that could accurately represent the Zappa Plays Zappa project. As a band we have evolved musically as well as undergone personnel changes. This is a snapshot of an exciting period of performances by the band as it was and as it is currently. I enjoy hearing the contrast within the compositions as well as all of the contrasting improvisational styles of the musicians.”

    Oh well, no one will HAVE TO love him, but we schouldn’t attack him where we can. ;-)

  22. Slap says:

    I dunno, the whole thing seems really simple to me. The name Zappa Plays Zappa, on its surface, could be interpreted as one guy playing one guy’s music. ZPZ is the tour title; we ASSUME there’ll be a band, since pure solo renditions are difficult to pull off, at best.

    If this outfit were called The Zappa Band, or some such, there may be some validity. He could have called it Dweezil Plays Frank, but that wouldn’t attract much attention.

    After all, how many guys in ZPZ are named Zappa?

  23. urbangraffito says:

    It isn’t an attack, Balint, as it is an observation. Agreed, DZ and the ZFT haven’t always been known for their clarity – but since DZ solo projects already exist alongside ZPZ releases, what purpose does it serve to confuse and confound?

  24. Bálint says:

    (BTW Dweezil [and the ZPZ :-) ] play some new stuff on their tour: The Little House I Used to Live In, Mystery Roach, Daddy Daddy Daddy, What Kind of Girl Do You Think We Are?, Blessed Relief, The Blue Light, Pick Me I’m Clean, Latex Solar Beef – (Willie – drum solo), City of Tiny Lights, Big Swifty, Easy Meat.
    I’m not sure exactly, some of them might not be exactly new, but most of them.)

  25. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Bálint:

    (BTW Dweezil [and the ZPZ :-) ] play some new stuff on their tour: The Little House I Used to Live In, Mystery Roach, Daddy Daddy Daddy, What Kind of Girl Do You Think We Are?, Blessed Relief, The Blue Light, Pick Me I’m Clean, Latex Solar Beef – (Willie – drum solo), City of Tiny Lights, Big Swifty, Easy Meat.
    I’m not sure exactly, some of them might not be exactly new, but most of them.)

    As I stated elsewhere, ZPZ have had to alter their setlists as guests and bandmembers changed from tour to tour. For instance, once Napoleon Murphy Brock left, there was a major shift away from the WOIFTM Medleys he performed so well to the Sheik Yerbouti and 80s era songs as the bulk of the show. Of course, every tour was different. Though I have often wondered why DZ and ZPZ never performed a complete “Yellow Snow Suite”, or even a rendition of “Rollo” or “Nanook Rubs It”. Too politically incorrect?

  26. Stinky Footwear says:

    urbangraffito is clearly showing he has little to no clue of what DZPZ has been doing over 4 plus years of touring. The departure of Napi, arrangements from one particular album from 1968 and questioning political correctness associated with DZPZ as of yet not preforming “Rollo” or “Nanook Rubs It” is so far out of left field. Yes Zappa Plays Zappa performed “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It” post 2006 because it is a model of political correctness.

    The whole concept of Stinky Footwear of let’s just throw political correctness out the window ‘Dog Shit Shoes’ reminds me of people who come home, take their shoes off and put them on the dinning room table where they eat. Do these kind of people even think that the shoes they wear outside step where dogs shit.

    Now from browsing this community here I do frequently see many users who seemingly know far too little about the evolution of DZPZ but the dialog and critical analysis, or lack there of, regarding choices from the composers canon at times smells like a pair of shoes on the table with dog shit on them.

    If this community is going to discuss what DZPZ are doing it would help them to make a database of all the compositions and arrangements that DZPZ have actually performed. At times the yearn for an Alumni Quotient around here gets in the way of many actually grasping what has been done. If the Zappateers of the world can be so punctual documenting field recordings it would help for anyone to use that model to understand what they are talking about when discussing DZPZ. People publish set lists, those set lists span the title of a song where a given arrangement is done and there are hybrid and improvisation sections that strike a chord of harmony with so many eras.

    We all make errors in our perception for the composers work. The mountain of data in that canon is unparalleled to anything. So much chiseling Frank did over his career. One thing for sure when DZPZ goes out there on the stage any given night they have done their due diligence. Unfortunately some listeners do not.

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    A quote from Bálint:

    (BTW Dweezil [and the ZPZ :-) ] play some new stuff on their tour: The Little House I Used to Live In, Mystery Roach, Daddy Daddy Daddy, What Kind of Girl Do You Think We Are?, Blessed Relief, The Blue Light, Pick Me I’m Clean, Latex Solar Beef – (Willie – drum solo), City of Tiny Lights, Big Swifty, Easy Meat.
    I’m not sure exactly, some of them might not be exactly new, but most of them.)

    As I stated elsewhere, ZPZ have had to alter their setlists as guests and bandmembers changed from tour to tour. For instance, once Napoleon Murphy Brock left, there was a major shift away from the WOIFTM Medleys he performed so well to the Sheik Yerbouti and 80s era songs as the bulk of the show. Of course, every tour was different. Though I have often wondered why DZ and ZPZ never performed a complete “Yellow Snow Suite”, or even a rendition of “Rollo” or “Nanook Rubs It”. Too politically incorrect?

  27. Theydon Bois says:

    A quote from Stinky Footwear:

    If this community is going to discuss what DZPZ are doing it would help them to make a database of all the compositions and arrangements that DZPZ have actually performed.

    Have you ever done this? If not, why do you think you’re any more qualified to discuss this matter than members of “this community”?

  28. Bob says:

    can we play on iPad?

  29. metafunj says:

    A quote from Stinky Footwear:

    urbangraffito is clearly showing he has little to no clue of what DZPZ has been doing over 4 plus years of touring. The departure of Napi, arrangements from one particular album from 1968 and questioning political correctness associated with DZPZ as of yet not preforming “Rollo” or “Nanook Rubs It” is so far out of left field. Yes Zappa Plays Zappa performed “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It” post 2006 because it is a model of political correctness.

    The whole concept of Stinky Footwear of let’s just throw political correctness out the window ‘Dog Shit Shoes’ reminds me of people who come home, take their shoes off and put them on the dinning room table where they eat. Do these kind of people even think that the shoes they wear outside step where dogs shit.

    Now from browsing this community here I do frequently see many users who seemingly know far too little about the evolution of DZPZ but the dialog and critical analysis, or lack there of, regarding choices from the composers canon at times smells like a pair of shoes on the table with dog shit on them.

    If this community is going to discuss what DZPZ are doing it would help them to make a database of all the compositions and arrangements that DZPZ have actually performed. At times the yearn for an Alumni Quotient around here gets in the way of many actually grasping what has been done. If the Zappateers of the world can be so punctual documenting field recordings it would help for anyone to use that model to understand what they are talking about when discussing DZPZ. People publish set lists, those set lists span the title of a song where a given arrangement is done and there are hybrid and improvisation sections that strike a chord of harmony with so many eras.

    We all make errors in our perception for the composers work. The mountain of data in that canon is unparalleled to anything. So much chiseling Frank did over his career. One thing for sure when DZPZ goes out there on the stage any given night they have done their due diligence. Unfortunately some listeners do not.

    Still waiting for you to comment in a thread that is not about official ZFT activities or releases. Thats not gonna happen.

  30. Thinman says:

    At some point I had found out that Trendmonger in all its incarnations can’t be a real person. It must be a software that crawls the internet and whenever it finds critical opinions about ZFT and/or ZPZ, DZPZ, it automatically creates redundant text from prepared modules. It is still very buggy and obviously faulty and stupid. It can’t make useful and critical contributions on its own to ANY discussion. It lives on replicated marketing speech whatever the topic. Whenever a discussion comes to facts, this version 1.0 immediately crashes. We are still waiting (or not) for version 2.0.

  31. Dark Clothes says:

    A quote from Bálint:

    (BTW Dweezil [and the ZPZ :-) ] play some new stuff on their tour: The Little House I Used to Live In, Mystery Roach, Daddy Daddy Daddy, What Kind of Girl Do You Think We Are?, Blessed Relief, The Blue Light, Pick Me I’m Clean, Latex Solar Beef – (Willie – drum solo), City of Tiny Lights, Big Swifty, Easy Meat.
    I’m not sure exactly, some of them might not be exactly new, but most of them.)

    There are some intriguing titles here, but I still feel that the ZPZ mission won’t be accomplished until they have rehearsed, played, recorded and released a complete rock band version of Sinister Footwear plus perhaps a few other gems, like Alien Orifice, Mo’s Vacation, Envelopes and the 1988 arrangement of Sleep Dirt.

    The intricate 1980′s rock band instrumentals seem very fitting to ZPZ’s “bionic” style of playing, and it would be nice to hear these singular compositions in one big collection, rather than spread out on so many Zappa albums of varying quality.

  32. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Stinky Footwear:

    urbangraffito is clearly showing he has little to no clue of what DZPZ has been doing over 4 plus years of touring. The departure of Napi, arrangements from one particular album from 1968 and questioning political correctness associated with DZPZ as of yet not preforming “Rollo” or “Nanook Rubs It” is so far out of left field.

    Stinky Footwear, you obviously do not grasp my use of the sarcasm when suggesting that DZ and ZPZ are being “politically correct”. I have seen ZPZ live and have listened to their various tours via field recordings and official releases. I stand by my observations that their setlists have changed as the band, itself, has changed members, and guests have come and gone. Furthermore, in the dozens of field recordings, covering each and every year of their existence as a touring band, not once have I heard them perform a complete version of the “Yellow Snow Suite.” I’ll admit, perhaps somewhere, someplace, they might have performed it in its entirety, but so far, not to my knowledge. I’m sure I am not alone as a party interested in hearing this band perform these songs (“Rollo” or “Nanook Rubs It”). Admittedly, only so many songs can be performed during a given show, and choices have to be made (by Dweezil). Understand, Stinky Footwear, KUR, is a venue for observation and suggestion and criticism. If you read my other recent posts concerning ZPZ, you’d be surprised to discover we are more agreement than you think.

    A quote from Stinky Footwear:

    If this community is going to discuss what DZPZ are doing it would help them to make a database of all the compositions and arrangements that DZPZ have actually performed.

    KUR is a Frank Zappa and related weblog, not a DZPZ weblog, or an advertising arm for the ZFT. Our posters post what interests them. Mostly that means Frank Zappa related posts. Sometimes that includes Dweezil Zappa and Zappa Plays Zappa. If you wish, start up your own weblog. Go right ahead. But don’t assume that KUR posters of commentators have no idea what they are talking about. You insult me, yourself, and this site. It’s a given that each and every visitor to KUR has a base knowledge of FZ, alumni, DZ, ZPZ, and the various tribute bands, so each visitor is deserving of the utmost respect (after which be as sarcastic as hell).

    A quote from Stinky Footwear:

    If the Zappateers of the world can be so punctual documenting field recordings it would help for anyone to use that model to understand what they are talking about when discussing DZPZ. People publish set lists, those set lists span the title of a song where a given arrangement is done and there are hybrid and improvisation sections that strike a chord of harmony with so many eras.

    We all make errors in our perception for the composers work. The mountain of data in that canon is unparalleled to anything. So much chiseling Frank did over his career. One thing for sure when DZPZ goes out there on the stage any given night they have done their due diligence. Unfortunately some listeners do not.

    FZ’s career spanned decades. DZPZ has just begun. At present, the value of creating the database which you suggest, while I agree it would be helpful in discussions such as ours, the amount of time and effort involved is staggering. Only an ubber fan with the necessary skills, and a lot of free time, could undertake such a quest.

    Keep in mind, the FZ databases which we all use did not appear overnight, but were the result of combined mutual efforts over time. I know, because I know some of them by name.

  33. Stnky Footwear says:

    @urbangraffito

    You recently replied with some interesting commentary on the gathering of Zappa AUD data. My point being was that model could be used to get a better understanding of DZPZ performances of FZs compositions, arrangements , improvs which at times people through lack of knowledge or shifting energy due to in part a yearn for Alumni Ejectamenta certainly has got in the way more than the average fan who understand the depth of DZPZ performance. At some point your context gets so far off bass and it was isolating Napi singing arrangements whose compositions first appeared on one album in 1968. There is so much to give critical analuysis on on 4 years of touring and that Napi WOIIFTM context area is on the bring of highly being insulting to the canon of the composer and just how much DZPZ has achieved from it.

    I am not going to give you the answers for it is clear if you look back in your own statement that I have quoted below that the database would show how mistaken your commentary was. If at some point fans see if for themselves it’s far better than forced education. The part in where you are grossly mistaken is not that DZPZ have not performed the entire Yellow Snow Suite or Rollo. I for one have been discussing and suggesting with Dweezil many areas of the canon that both old hard core and new fans would find of interest. The “St. Alfonzo’s Pancake Breakfast / Rollo ” arrangement is one of many that I am pushing for with band members or audience participation to play the John Belushi’s part.

    It’s not that Dweezil is not educated in the canon but he has valued my input for some time.

    “As I stated elsewhere, ZPZ have had to alter their setlists as guests and bandmembers changed from tour to tour. For instance, once Napoleon Murphy Brock left, there was a major shift away from the WOIFTM Medleys he performed so well to the Sheik Yerbouti and 80s era songs as the bulk of the show. Of course, every tour was different. Though I have often wondered why DZ and ZPZ never performed a complete “Yellow Snow Suite”, or even a rendition of “Rollo” or “Nanook Rubs It”. Too politically incorrect?”

  34. Stnky Footwear says:

    To make it clear the last paragraph above was from Urbangraffito. Sorry for not using the quote feature here. Lots of set lists and reviews at zappaplayszappa.com and dweezilzappaworld.com.
    New Dweezil Zappa live CD coming out in 2 weeks. Additionally lots of Live Audio already at the site and being developed with free listening at dweezilzappaworld.

    We all learn something new everyday. I think at some point the majority of us hard cores are all going to harmonize. It may take a little time but each day I am seeing more and more people seeing live DZPZ shows and leaving with a sense of commune that they have not had since Frank was here, never had a chance to see Frank do given arrangements when he toured, appreciating the live sound in the moment far more than the records, realize during Franks time of touring live technology limited the aural environment and sounds more alive at the show with this band playing the music and elements of the unknown where they hear a dimension where the music continues to evolve while at the same time holding true to the composers canon. .

    Here is a starting point to hear some samples none of which have Napi or songs from WOIIFTM. Lots more stuff down the road including live samples of vocal segments and arrangements from the current tour and projects that are more lengthy in the audio and visual medium.

    http://www.dweezilzappaworld.com/songs/

    Return Of The Son Of…
    http://www.dweezilzappaworld.com/songs/category/return-of-the-

    Fractal Experiments
    http://www.dweezilzappaworld.com/songs/category/fractal-experimentsson-of

  35. Matt says:

    “He has valued my input for some time.”

    The ego has landed.

  36. nikita coltrane says:

    A quote from Matt:

    “He has valued my input for some time.”

    The ego has landed.

    So *HE’S* the one!

  37. urbangraffito says:

    Dweezil Zappa and Zappa Plays Zappa is not above a healthy dose of criticism (or any band or artist for that matter, including FZ). It seems as if some DZPZ fans are offended by any kind of criticism whatsoever. What I hear are excuses: “lack of knowledge or shifting energy due to in part a yearn for Alumni Ejectamenta”, or “I am not going to give you the answers for it is clear if you look back in your own statement that I have quoted below that the database would show how mistaken your commentary was”.

    Discussion over, huh, Stnky Footwear? Are you incapable of any view besides your own, and everyone else is mistaken?

    Prove me wrong, if you can. I welcome it.

    It’s an easy assignment for a hardcore DZPZ fan like yourself (whose input is valued). A complete performance of the “Yellow Snow Suite” as performed by Zappa Plays Zappa.

  38. Matt says:

    As Thinman said, Trendmonger 1.0 only has one point of view and presents it rather poorly. Logical interaction and give-and-take discussion is impossible with its current configuration. One day it may be upgraded, maybe the same day that “What the Hell Was I Thinking?” comes out.

    Accept No Substitutes — FZ uber alles. ;)

  39. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Matt:

    As Thinman said, Trendmonger 1.0 only has one point of view and presents it rather poorly. Logical interaction and give-and-take discussion is impossible with its current configuration. One day it may be upgraded, maybe the same day that “What the Hell Was I Thinking?” comes out.

    Accept No Substitutes — FZ uber alles. ;)

    “What the Hell Was I Thinking?” ;)

  40. nikita coltrane says:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    It’s an easy assignment for a hardcore DZPZ fan like yourself (whose input is valued). A complete performance of the “Yellow Snow Suite” as performed by Zappa Plays Zappa.

    He did essentially say that you are correct that ZPZ never performed the entire suite, he just happened to do it in ludicrous and convoluted manner.

    A quote from Stnky Footwear:

    The part in where you are grossly mistaken is not that DZPZ have not performed the entire Yellow Snow Suite or Rollo. I for one have been discussing and suggesting with Dweezil many areas of the canon that both old hard core and new fans would find of interest. The “St. Alfonzo’s Pancake Breakfast / Rollo ” arrangement is one of many that I am pushing for with band members or audience participation to play the John Belushi’s part.

    Personally, I always felt one reason they skipped over “Nanook Rubs It” is the same reason I don’t have any particular interest in hearing them do it: Dweezil is not Frank. That is to say, I don’t really he feel he has the right voice and set of inflections to entertainingly work his way through that piece. And knowing the way ZPZ has done things so far, were they to perform the piece, DZ would probably recite what appears on “Apostrophe(‘)” ver-fucking-batim (see also “Call Any Vegetable” and “Billy the Mountain” as performed by ZPZ. No variation, no ad-libs. Stick to the record, please. That’s What the Fans Want! Or some such.)

  41. metafunj says:

    A quote from nikita coltrane:

    (see also “Call Any Vegetable” and “Billy the Mountain” as performed by ZPZ. No variation, no ad-libs. Stick to the record, please. That’s What the Fans Want! Or some such.)

    Thats what Trendy wants, until they start adding a lot of variation then he will say he wants that and has wanted that all along.

  42. Thinman says:

    Let’s try to not feed the troll.

  43. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from nikita coltrane:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    It’s an easy assignment for a hardcore DZPZ fan like yourself (whose input is valued). A complete performance of the “Yellow Snow Suite” as performed by Zappa Plays Zappa.

    He did essentially say that you are correct that ZPZ never performed the entire suite, he just happened to do it in ludicrous and convoluted manner.

    A quote from Stnky Footwear:

    The part in where you are grossly mistaken is not that DZPZ have not performed the entire Yellow Snow Suite or Rollo. I for one have been discussing and suggesting with Dweezil many areas of the canon that both old hard core and new fans would find of interest. The “St. Alfonzo’s Pancake Breakfast / Rollo ” arrangement is one of many that I am pushing for with band members or audience participation to play the John Belushi’s part.

    Personally, I always felt one reason they skipped over “Nanook Rubs It” is the same reason I don’t have any particular interest in hearing them do it: Dweezil is not Frank. That is to say, I don’t really he feel he has the right voice and set of inflections to entertainingly work his way through that piece. And knowing the way ZPZ has done things so far, were they to perform the piece, DZ would probably recite what appears on “Apostrophe(‘)” ver-fucking-batim (see also “Call Any Vegetable” and “Billy the Mountain” as performed by ZPZ. No variation, no ad-libs. Stick to the record, please. That’s What the Fans Want! Or some such.)

    Of course, there are some FZ songs that fans have little or no interest in hearing DZPZ perform. I am not among them, though. To me, no FZ song is ever taboo. The reason I bring up the “Yellow Snow Suite” and the songs “Rollo” and “Nanook Rubs It” is that DZPZ often performs “Don’t Eat The Yellow Snow” which feels like an orphan alone without the rest of the suite, or simply a radio version. Every song is another opportunity for DZPZ to improvise and ad-lib (albeit, they do tend to stick to the record, with little to no variation).

    A quote from Thinman:

    Let’s try to not feed the troll.

    I really do avoid labeling visitors as trolls unless they really do especially make an ass out of themselves. Even then, it’s up to our most wise webmaster to make this ultimate determination.

    Still, Thinman, you have a point.

  44. Thinman says:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    … Though I have often wondered why DZ and ZPZ never performed a complete “Yellow Snow Suite”, or even a rendition of “Rollo” or “Nanook Rubs It”. …

    I don’t have a setlist at hand and didn’t do research at the moment, but I’m pretty sure they did a complete performance of the suite in 2006 at the Düsseldorf show. I was there but I could be wrong.

    Th.

  45. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Thinman:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    … Though I have often wondered why DZ and ZPZ never performed a complete “Yellow Snow Suite”, or even a rendition of “Rollo” or “Nanook Rubs It”. …

    I don’t have a setlist at hand and didn’t do research at the moment, but I’m pretty sure they did a complete performance of the suite in 2006 at the Düsseldorf show. I was there but I could be wrong.

    Th.

    Unfortunately, in this case, I think you’re mistaken, Thinman. As the following link to the May 21st, 2006, Düsseldorf show setlist reveals:

    http://www.theperfectstranger.com/zpz/pix/index.php?twg_album=dweezildorf_venue&twg_show=set_list.jpg

    Alas, I could be wrong, I wasn’t there. Was anyone? Did they perform the entire suite, or just “Don’t Eat the Yellow Snow” and “St. Alphonzo’s Pancake Breakfast” as specified in their setlist?

  46. Thinman says:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    … Unfortunately, in this case, I think you’re mistaken, Thinman.

    Yes, I did some research in the meantime, too. I was most likely wrong if the setlist are right. I have been mixing up memories from 78/79 FZ with the ZPZ shows, believe it or not. After examination of 78/79 tapes and setlists I had been recollecting my own memories from that era. The performance of the YS-suite had been a big surprise on those tours. There were more surprises before the internet age anyway.

    Th.

  47. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Thinman:

    I have been mixing up memories from 78/79 FZ with the ZPZ shows, believe it or not. After examination of 78/79 tapes and setlists I had been recollecting my own memories from that era. The performance of the YS-suite had been a big surprise on those tours. There were more surprises before the internet age anyway.

    Th.

    An easy thing to do, Thinman, given the sheer number of 78/79 tapes and setlists available (combined with our own, rather fluid memories of the maestro). I agree, the performance of the YS-suite had been a big surprise on those tours, and, as always, a perfect opportunity for improvisation. I certainly enjoyed how FZ altered this suite from year to year, show to show (though the 78/79 suites are by a far some of my favorites). Perhaps this is why I yearn to hear the YS-suite performed in it’s entirety. If one is going to perform FZ’s music live, they should at very least perform it in it’s entirety (not piecemeal), no matter the band.

  48. Barry's Imaginary Publisher says:

    Added a little update to the original post, since there’s no word of a release anywhere to be found…

  49. Thinman says:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    … I certainly enjoyed how FZ altered this suite …

    The BIG Yellow Snow on YCDTOSA 1 is probably my favourite FZ live recording moment. And because of YS One Shot Deal is probably my favourite ZFT release.

    Th.

  50. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Barry’s Imaginary Publisher:

    Added a little update to the original post, since there’s no word of a release anywhere to be found…

    Should we be surprised, Barry? I’m not. It pretty much belongs to a long pattern of behavior by the ZFT. One certainly has to give them high marks for manipulating the media for their own ends, though, like that Variety article suggests concerning the mythic nature of the vault’s “apparently inexhaustible archives.”

    Inexhaustible archives. Hmmmm.

  51. vince says:

    I guess now I know how crack-pot Christians feel!

  52. Bob says:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    “apparently inexhaustible archives”

    By now, it is certainly apparent “The Vault” is a myth.

    A quote from vince:

    crack-pot Christians

    …it’s the second, third, fourth, whatever coming of Frank!

  53. Dark Clothes says:

    Nobody has a clue what’s in there, and the owners just don’t have a clue, unfortunately.

  54. Raptillicusss says:

    nobody WONT know what’s in there, the owners just dont have a clue

  55. nikita coltrane says:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    A quote from Barry’s Imaginary Publisher:

    Added a little update to the original post, since there’s no word of a release anywhere to be found…

    Should we be surprised, Barry? I’m not. It pretty much belongs to a long pattern of behavior by the ZFT. One certainly has to give them high marks for manipulating the media for their own ends, though, like that Variety article suggests concerning the mythic nature of the vault’s “apparently inexhaustible archives.”

    Inexhaustible archives. Hmmmm.

    ZFT’s PR firm, Shorefire Media, jumped the gun on reporting the release of the album. There’s another “Joe’s ___age” in the works, but someone at Shorefire misunderstood info that was given to them and they mentioned it as imminent. I wouldn’t lay this on Gail, Dweezil or Joe. It’s telling that there was no mention of it on Zappa.com before or during the time that Shorefire made the information available.

  56. nikita coltrane says:

    A quote from Bob:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    “apparently inexhaustible archives”

    By now, it is certainly apparent “The Vault” is a myth.

    What does this even mean? This is one of those things people say just to say, or because ZFT hasn’t released some non-specific thing that such and such fans want right damn now.

  57. Matt says:

    Why does the ZFT even need a PR firm? They could spend their money more wisely by simply hiring a webmaster to update their woefully outdated website on a regular basis. Thanks to the internet, everyone can be their own PR firm quite successfully. DIY.

  58. rob says:

    Yes, just look at all the wonderful PR the ZFT has garnered on their own via the internet!

  59. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from nikita coltrane:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    A quote from Barry’s Imaginary Publisher:

    Added a little update to the original post, since there’s no word of a release anywhere to be found…

    Should we be surprised, Barry? I’m not. It pretty much belongs to a long pattern of behavior by the ZFT. One certainly has to give them high marks for manipulating the media for their own ends, though, like that Variety article suggests concerning the mythic nature of the vault’s “apparently inexhaustible archives.”

    Inexhaustible archives. Hmmmm.

    ZFT’s PR firm, Shorefire Media, jumped the gun on reporting the release of the album. There’s another “Joe’s ___age” in the works, but someone at Shorefire misunderstood info that was given to them and they mentioned it as imminent. I wouldn’t lay this on Gail, Dweezil or Joe. It’s telling that there was no mention of it on Zappa.com before or during the time that Shorefire made the information available.

    A quote from nikita coltrane:

    A quote from Bob:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    “apparently inexhaustible archives”

    By now, it is certainly apparent “The Vault” is a myth.

    What does this even mean? This is one of those things people say just to say, or because ZFT hasn’t released some non-specific thing that such and such fans want right damn now.

    It’s obvious that nothing occurs at the company that Frank Zappa built without GZ and DZ knowing. To suggest that it’s all Shorefire Media’s fault is naive at best considering the ZFT has a long history of promoting releases which never appear.

    http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118020191.html?categoryid=16&cs=1

  60. Bob says:

    A quote from nikita coltrane:

    What does this even mean?

    Perhaps, for those who have a difficult time understanding the English language, I should be a bit more specific in my personal rantings –

    The “Vault” as a physical entity is apparently not a MYTH. We’ve all seen the photos.

    The supposed contents of the “Vault” have certainly been reduced to MYTHICAL STATUS. I find a quote from an early “official” release helpful, “…blank, empty space”.

    Ist das nicht unheimlich?

  61. Bob says:

    OK, so I got the quote-thing right.

    How does the bold-thing work?

  62. Barry's Imaginary Publisher says:

    A quote from Bob:

    OK, so I got the quote-thing right.

    How does the bold-thing work?

    There, fixed it for ya :)
    (Replace the square brackets with < and > and, dare I say it, Bob’s your uncle)

  63. Bob says:

    There’s so much to learn when trying to make truly effective, inflamatory and out-of-context comments. And then, what is learned is soon forgotten…perhaps I should leave a little sticky note on the face of my monitor.

    Thanks, Barry. O&O.

  64. Bob says:

    A quote from nikita coltrane:

    What does this even mean?

    What does this mean?
    What does this mean?
    What’s the meaning of this?
    Poor Harry, I guess

  65. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Bob:

    There’s so much to learn when trying to make truly effective, inflamatory and out-of-context comments. And then, what is learned is soon forgotten…perhaps I should leave a little sticky note on the face of my monitor.

    Thanks, Barry. O&O.

    Bob’s effective, inflamatory and out-of-context comments are like little sticky notes on the face of Farther O’Blivion.

    What does it mean?
    It means what it means.
    Bob is still Bob spelled or spoken
    forwards or backwards.
    I dare say it,
    If Bob is Barry’s uncle,
    then who is Uncle Remus?

  66. Bob says:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    If Bob is Barry’s uncle,
    then who is Uncle Remus?

    …could he be Yo Mama?

    now that’s what I call out-of-contextual continuity!

    (of course, you may call it whatever you like)

  67. urbangraffito says:

    A quote from Bob:

    A quote from urbangraffito:

    If Bob is Barry’s uncle,
    then who is Uncle Remus?

    …could he be Yo Mama?

    now that’s what I call out-of-contextual continuity!

    Of course, of course…Uncle Remus has been missing these long ten years now searching for his beloved Sharleena, Yo Mama to his mighty munchkin Calvin and mistress to Evelyn, their modified dog!

    What’s that, Bob?

    Arf, I say!

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