One Shot Deal — Huh?

A friend finally lent me a copy of the latest ZFT release, One Shot Deal, for review the other day. Although it is always great to hear Frank Zappa, no matter what the excuse, my first reaction upon listening to this compilation was: Huh? What? Why? To any long time listener of FZ (right down to the rabid collector and completist), the tracks on this compilation will all seem quite familiar.

“Bathtub Man” sounds like many of the boogie/jams from the Roxy period (FZ was an obsessive recordist) which found their way onto the bootleg circuit via their road manager, Marty Perellis, who sold many 73-74 soundboard tapes to eager fans. The same can be said for “Space Boogers” and “Hermitage”. I kept getting this feeling that I’d heard these pieces before, or efforts quite like them, from the myriad of brilliant individual solos to be found on so many of FZ’s field recordings from that period of his career.

“Trudgin Across the Tundra” is an early instrumental proto version of the familiar FZ classic akin to the proto versions of Greggery Peccary found on the Wazoo release. “Occam’s Razor (On the Bus – Original Solo)” is one of this compilation’s gems, and the reason that freaks like me collect so many bootlegs and field recordings: to hear the original solos. I first heard “Heidelberg” (opening solo to Yo Mama) on the second disc of the four disc, fan made compilation bootleg, Apocrypha, and again on the cassette tape, The Guitar World According To Frank Zappa, though sounding far superior here.

“The Illinois Enema Bandit” is yet another version of this FZ standard. Probably the weakest point on this compilation is “Australian Yellow Snow”. I have heard better bootleg versions from this tour. The sound, itself, in this recording is really a substandard mix for what is supposed to be an official release. Too often the background vocals nearly drown out FZ’s lead vocals, and the audience chatter becomes very distracting. Perhaps the ZFT are attempting to dumb down our listening standards so they can begin selling us anything with a FZ stamp on it, no matter the quality? If there is one reason, though, for purchasing this CD, “Rollo” is that reason. Wow. I never tire of hearing that song.

Getting back to the premise of this post, though, what was the point of this release? There doesn’t appear to be any, at least none that I can fathom. There is little, if any, conceptual continuity going on. Instead of piecemeal compilations like this one, how about further sequels to the Stage series with complete liner notes? Or the Complete Audio History of Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention? Like, Duh?

52 Responses to “One Shot Deal — Huh?”

  1. gnarly artly says:

    I still like the cover 🙂

  2. Herr Mann says:

    you call yourself compleetist butt you dont buy? you some kind of uggly anti-antartic canadia people or something. SHARME ON YOU. ekscuse bad typing as the keyboard is infereor produkt.

  3. urbangraffito says:

    [quote comment=”1698″]you call yourself compleetist butt you dont buy? you some kind of uggly anti-antartic canadia people or something. SHARME ON YOU. ekscuse bad typing as the keyboard is infereor produkt.[/quote]

    Herr Mann, if you happened to be paying attention for the last year or so, you’d already know the answer to your question.

  4. Herr Mann says:

    so you are anti-antARTIC??? get job and reel life. yew is looser than lost sole. i no. i ben ther to. get life now!

  5. completist also says:

    Heard this today…….and I have the distinct image of GZ vacuuming the studio floor and seeing a bin bag full of tape snippings, shouting Joe Travers in from the (cover band) rehearsal next door and asking him to put the cutting room floor bits back together. “There’s the next album, think of a title Joe,” she says and goes on with her vacuuming.

  6. Balint says:

    One Shot Deal – höh?

    Hm, very much the same with me as with Urbangraffito: a brotha just lent me a copy to listen to. Okey, then two (3?…) things:

    1. There is very good music on this disc. The songs are good: Bathtub Man is all righ, some good solos (might not be the greatest one though), but fun. But what I really like is the way these tunes follow each other: a nice segue to Space Boogers, which is a tiny audio-madness, to Hermitage, a collective, controlled improvisation. If one not listens carefully, migh be mistaken that these tracks are from the same imaginary show. Then comes – again with a nice connection – Trudging’ Across the Tundra, which is one of my favorites. A long, relaxed one, with playful and colorful bass, nise solos – great! Etc. But: there is the Other Thing:

    2. What is the intent behind this CD? From Occam’s Razor the tunes just follow each other, with no reason (I dont like the way the two “big solos” meet). Why “Enema Bandit”, again? Why Rollo – again?… I understand the meaning of the YCDTOSA series, the quadrophonic album – but dont see the reason behing the compilation of this. I just remembered Urb’s compilation at Muxtape: a fan-tas-tic one! Anyway, who was OSD assembled by? FZ? When? Why? It would be good to know (information, again…).

    My main problem that again we have a release with tiny snipplets from huuuuge shows (1975, UCLA, Petit Wazoo) – why not release something that is a WHOLE? Will there be some 3-4 other CDs with Revised Music and Dog/Meat on?… The same with the Sydney show: I like this track here, but the WHOLE SHOW is just amazing! And: why only 50 minutes here? I just can’t tell… And the listenners heart breaks.

    Anyway, at one point I just thought that it can be a good album for beginners: a little bit of everything: some bluesy stuff, some improvisational fun, some super solos, some vocal madness… A kind of a collection, a “sample”, as Dweezil said once (but a “sample” of what?). But then some information would have been fine: when was it assembled, why, etc. etc. And: where to go forward (hey, remember: it’s business!). But there is a third thing:

    3. After listennig to it a few times in a row, the music just brought me away. I said already I liked the first block, Occam is sharp, long, rich, Heidelberg is magic (why right after another solo??? – okay, now ONLY the music!), there’s another good solo in Enema Bandit (with the fine rhythm-change in the middle), Yellow snow is fun and nice, and I tend to understand that Rollo is the finale of this Nanook-stuff. Well, all in all, a good ending.

    So, all in all it is a fine CD, with fine tunes, with wonderful solos, a good thing to fill the air around with.

    Err, but…

  7. peter says:

    I am very happy with it. You guys are waaaaay too nerdy for me.

  8. andre says:

    sounds like an andre review using some else material and then trash the efforts yippy KUR the new outlet from MR.ANDRE TRASH A LONG WHATS NOT HIS —

  9. Maroual says:

    Pay attention to the words Urban: “The rights of the copyright owner do not include the right to lend copyright material.” – http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G054.pdf
    😉

  10. Paul Sempschi says:

    I downloaded the fucker three weeks ago, glad to say that I didnt piss away money on it, though it doesnt really give me a right to complain too much (I guess time wasted listening to/downloading it). It’s not bad as a freebie but I find it just doesnt gel well as a complete entity. I can understand if they wanted to do a Lost Episodes sort of thing and compile some special moments and various nuggets but here we just have borderline cacophony for the first 4 tracks, another version of Enema Bandit (*yawn*) with no interesting or noteworthy variation an edit of “Yellow Snow” (was this FZ’s edit? If not, what’s the point, there is room on the disc for the whole thing!) and a heavier edit of an already released version of “Rollo”.
    “Occam” and “Heidelberg” are a move in the right direction, IMHO and pretty much justify the release. DOWNLOAD, steal, borrow or RIP a copy but whatever you do, dont buy this garbage, you’ll only encourage them to produce more of these mediocre ‘compilations’.

  11. Chuck says:

    The material on it is all pretty good… it just doesn’t add up to anything. Its not particularly special or different and the CD is very short with very little substance. I’ve listened a few times and it is already on the forgotton stack probably not to be listened to for a long time. This is not what FZ albums are about where they remain on high rotation with enough substance to keep them interesting year after year.

    Dweezil and Gail seem to think solos are somehow gold and are all just as worthy as actual written material. Maybe they should reread the section on them in FZ’s book where he states a few are succesful and the rest are crap… maybe a bit too extreme a judgement, still they should take it on board.

  12. brett says:

    [quote comment=”1709″]
    Dweezil and Gail seem to think solos are somehow gold and are all just as worthy as actual written material. Maybe they should reread the section on them in FZ’s book where he states a few are succesful and the rest are crap… maybe a bit too extreme a judgement, still they should take it on board.[/quote]

    Well, Frank also said, in relation to the guitar solos, that “written music in no way assures the pedigree of musical quality of what’s being played. Just because it’s written on paper doesn’t make it any better or worse than any other kind of music” (1982, Guitar Player Magazine.) Anyhow, these solos are great (he chose them for release in different forms), so what’s your point?

  13. Balint says:

    just one more thing: this record – with all of its good music – is more about what is NOT on it (at least to me). Especially with Yellow Snow: Father O’Blivion is tottally missing with its fine, fast istrumental passage, Sal Marques’ vocal (!). One might say, that it is on YCDOSA vol 6., but no: that one is the slow version. Hey, on a 50 minute CD there would have been some place for it…

  14. Barry's Imaginary Publisher says:

    I would just like to urge anyone remotely interested in this or any release for that matter, to buy the damn thing, instead of downloading it which is, what’s that word again, illegal. C’mon, as Zappa-fans we owe it to ourselves to set a better example than that…

  15. urbangraffito says:

    [quote comment=”1707″]Pay attention to the words Urban: “The rights of the copyright owner do not include the right to lend copyright material.” – http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G054.pdf
    ;-)[/quote]

    I know. Urban is a very, very bad man (but one thing he is not, is a liar).

  16. Clark Gwent says:

    Like the example the ZFT (and FZ hisself) set when not-paying certain of the ex-Mothers?

  17. urbangraffito says:

    [quote comment=”1714″]Like the example the ZFT (and FZ hisself) set when not-paying certain of the ex-Mothers?[/quote]

    Frank Zappa paid his musicians a salary while they played for him. Did they deserve a cut in the royalties? Perhaps. But almost every ex-Mother went on to perform fantastic music in their own right. Did FZ deserve a cut in their royalties?

  18. Paul Sempschi says:

    Perhaps if they were recording/selling his compositions but not when they’re producing their own stuff. What is curious is Frank’s disregard for the publishing rights of his band member’s compositions (he retains or retained publishing rights to solos). It was only when he lost litigation re:taking credit for what he only inspired and NOT created did he give them a publishing credit, Ponty’s woes as well as Flo and Eddie come to mind. Yet, there are a ton of moments that still exist on his discography where the true composer is not given his publishing credit nor royalty (Eg. “Lonesome Electric Turkey” which is just Don Preston freaking out on a moog).
    Check out Barry Miles’ bio, it paints quite the portrait of Frank’s dubious business practices, especially during the Herb Cohen years. Furthermore, arent the muscians on the record are still entitled to royalties? I know the ex-Mothers went to court over this when the YCDTOSA series started coming out.

  19. Paul Sempschi says:

    Also re:illegally downloading Zappa music

    The boycott aside, Gail releasing an album with scant information and incredibly limited availability, that’s just asking for people to download it. I’ve been down that road of trying to get a copy of a Zappa records release, it became an ordeal worthy of a Kafka novel. But I put up with it because I cared about the music, much like a lot of fans put up with a lot of crap by and for that franchise. However, when the crap became a personal attack from the franchise (ZFT) against the fans, how is one to resolve their love of Zappa music with their unwillingness to support the current regime?
    Starve them out, I guess or at least do what you gotta do to hurt em how you can, via the pocketbook. I feel as a disgruntled Zappa fan who still wants and craves the music that this is my only recourse (yeah, I signed the petition).
    If they a)sell the tapes to a company who is more credible and sane or b) release the Roxy DVD, then I’ll start buying the Zappa brand again.

    Though as an aside, I dont agree with anti-music downloading laws, so how does one go about repealing such laws? Go about it the way they went about getting prohibition killed, just keep breaking the law, numbers are the key, people- remember, the Law adapts itself to commonplace behaviour, rather than dictates it.

  20. braxtophiliac says:

    Go bury your heads in that fuckin’ east-german coastal city. Download every single future FZ release. Judge the quality of the material by listening to shitty, mini-gap riddled, 128 K mp3 files on your poor low-fi equipment, the one you play your holy zappateers’ audience recs and VHS transfers on. Don’t pay for nothin’. Wear your hair in a bun. Snort the 1001th bootleg version of ‘Sharleena’ if your brains aren’t in the condition to decode instrumental music.

    READ ALBUM CREDITS BEFORE POSTING FALSE INFORMATION about who edited what. (But hey, forgot you downloaded yours, so you have to ask your buddy who bought his and is reluctant it to lend it to you, ’cause he paid and you didn’t)

    Don’t forget to bring your mint-conditioned 1969 original pressing of MOTHERMANIA to Bad Döberan and jerk off on it with your friends.

    Mind you, the reason this release doesn’t sound EXACTLY like a super-juxtaposed, FZ-organized production is that The Man has died 15 years ago.

  21. Iggy says:

    Grow the fuck up Paul, dont be such a baby. If you dont want to buy it fine, get a life and stop posting your hissy fits about that hair brained boycott! God, you Zappa fans just piss and moan, it’s really embarassing and disgusting. You cant find the material? Then learn to like The Beatles or Led Zeppelin or Yanni or some other crap that sold out to corporations who make it easy for you to find AND safe to listen to. If you want to be an adult and listen to something challenging and dangerous, something where you MIGHT get your feelings hurt, then go out and buy the goddamned record and act like a man about it!

    “Oooh, the ZFart hurt my feelings…” it’s just disgusting and I’m tired of it- Paul, Andre, all of you…

  22. urbangraffito says:

    [quote comment=”1731″]Go about it the way they went about getting prohibition killed, just keep breaking the law, numbers are the key, people- remember, the Law adapts itself to commonplace behaviour, rather than dictates it.[/quote]

    Paul Sempschi, you make an important central point that some others in this thread just don’t seem to grasp: we are not new to listening to FZ and the Mothers. We have bought and paid for the complete FZ catalogue, in several different formats, and have quite frankly earned the right to be perturbed with the present business practices of Gail Zappa and the Zappa Family Trust. They are short sighted and foolish if they believe a brand new fan base is waiting in the wings for ZPZ to amaze and dazzle them. We are the fan base. And they alienate us at their own risk. I will buy One Shot Deal second hand, if and when I find it. But until Gail and company come to their senses (and actually release something equal to Frank Zappa’s stature), they will never lay their eyes on my credit card number again. So there. Call me an asshole.

  23. George says:

    [quote post=”195″]We have bought and paid for the complete FZ catalogue, in several different formats, and have quite frankly earned the right to be perturbed with the present business practices of Gail Zappa and the Zappa Family Trust. They are short sighted and foolish if they believe a brand new fan base is waiting in the wings for ZPZ to amaze and dazzle them. We are the fan base. And they alienate us at their own risk.[/quote]

    Goddam right.

  24. George says:

    Sorry, that was urbangrafitto’s quote. I post as poorly as GZ runs the ZFT business.

  25. Balint says:

    [quote post=”195″]fuckin’ …shitty…your brains …jerk off…[/quote]

    Hey, mister, cannot we talk in a more normal way?… I think I get your point, but it is not necessary to put it in such a childish way. People here might not share the same opinions, but we have some tools (like “conversation” and such) to cope with it.

    [quote post=”195″]Mind you, the reason this release doesn’t sound EXACTLY like a super-juxtaposed, FZ-organized production is that The Man has died 15 years ago.[/quote]

    I dont think it is the case exactly – but it is again a point that could be discussed. BTW: what do YOU think of the album? Because that is the main theme of this post here…

    Also, I think everybody is free to tell his/her opinion about buying a thing or not. As for me: yes, I’m also one who does not have it legally. I think I will buy it, but since GZ told there will be 4 more releases this year (?), I just wait. It IS expensive, and way too expensive with extra postal cost with each release. If the family just cannot solv to get the records to the stores, they have to get used to the fact that it is NOT EASY to buy them (remember: I also wantet to buy some CDs for chistmas present for freinds – I did not: I just couldn’t…)

  26. Joe ntj says:

    [quote comment=”1731″]Also re:…Roxy DVD…[/quote]

    there’s a Roxy dvd? where can i get one?

  27. Donan says:

    Hey, you all, Dweezil describes this record as ‘a quicky’ in the liner notes where he explains.

    Frank would laugh if he saw you guys argue like you do. Lets stop this nonsense and just look in the mirror and say that we can be fucking glad that there’s still new material comin’ round. One better than the other, but hey, any artist that makes 80+ albums must have a few misfits. The ZFT is trying to do the best thing for their own good. Sad, but true.
    And for all these people who don’t like the material after 1993 should leave it then and stick with beans that Frank himself provided them. All i can say (to quote Frank) Music Is The Best!

    Watch out where the husky’s go….

  28. Barry's Imaginary Publisher says:

    Donan: this post is a critique of One Shot Deal, which happens to be a ZFT release — some comments are favorable, some not so favorable. When FZ was still alive, and released an album, do you think there was no criticism / reviewing going on?

    Basically you’re saying it’s okay to have an opinion on anything FZ himself released when he was alive, but it’s a BIG NONO to have an opinion about anything the ZFT has put out since his passing. I think I know what FZ would be laughing about…

  29. Joe ntj says:

    [quote comment=”1740″]I think I know what FZ would be laughing about…[/quote]

    …the Roxy video?

  30. Donan says:

    Barry, your not reacting friendly. But to set the record straight, that is not exactly what I ment. I only want to say that what ZFT is bringing out couldn’t be the same of what Frank would put out himself. So we should take that with us in our opinion. And for the fans its nice that there is still new material coming through. I’m really sorry if I offended you. I just find it silly that there’s somewhat of an offensive tone in the comments. But hey, let me enjoy my opinion all the same. If you can twist your brain in thinking that I mean:
    “Basically you’re saying it’s okay to have an opinion on anything FZ himself released when he was alive, but it’s a BIG NONO to have an opinion about anything the ZFT has put out since his passing. I think I know what FZ would be laughing about…”
    then that is sad. FZ and ZFT are two different things in my view, and that is what i mean by saying that you can’t compare the two.
    Oh, and Barry, FZ would laugh at all of us. You’re a poodle that bites…

  31. Barry's Imaginary Publisher says:

    [quote comment=”1745″]FZ and ZFT are two different things in my view, and that is what i mean by saying that you can’t compare the two.[/quote]
    Point taken and sorry if I came across as unfriendly. I’m really a nice guy, just ask all my imaginary friends!

    That FZ and ZFT are two different things is something I have said myself in another thread. In any case, I for one enjoy reading commentary and reviews that focus on the music — such as some of the comments above (where I think Balint has made some excellent points).

  32. Donan says:

    I totally agree.

  33. Balint says:

    [quote comment=”1745″]I only want to say that what ZFT is bringing out couldn’t be the same of what Frank would put out himself.[/quote]

    An interesting thing, that the ZFT justifies (is it the right word?….) their latest release by exactly saying: “this is original, this was compiled by FZ himself!” And strangely enough the most popular and enjoyed releases (if I’m righ) are the ones that FZ would NEVER had released: the whole shows, like Buffalo or the ever-fantastic Wazoo.
    (Even DZ says that “we play just the way it was written, we are original!” Though the real thing (at least to me) would be to make own statements, to personalize things, to change to the present state (as FZ always did). )
    Anyway: I want whole shows!! 🙂

  34. Donan says:

    It is true that I enjoy Buffalo and Wazoo, or even the (Frank is back) Halloween, but I also like these Joe’s Corsage, Xmasage, Domage things(although I’d think there could have been more of an effort to make a compilation of the best songs from these three records and than put it out. That would make a great cake). The same for the songs on OSD, you tend to want to hear the rest of the show, because I always get the feel (maybe its just me), that if you here the whole show (as on Buffalo), you catch the vibe and just understand what is going on as a total continuity and atmosphere. That is probably why OSD is not finding my stereo, I wanna know what the rest sounded like…
    Anyway: I want whole shows too!!!

  35. andre says:

    got it today , sounds great , i like it a lot , hey some one is thinking about mother nature — GREAT EFFORT !!!!!
    KEEP GOING GZ DZ JT MZ AZ DZ PD TD ZZ ZC LZ SG SB

  36. Paul Sempschi says:

    I have no problems with complete shows or entire projects (FZ made) being released, my qualms has to do with the production/editorial nature of what is released. “Joe’s Xmassage” for example, great to have it, though it is a compilation of things that FZ recorded and produced (aside from “The Purse” which has been tampered with by Joe/Sloatman), again, great to have it but I question why they havent bothered to fill the whole cd, even if it is a “specialty item” or some other nonsense, there is no reason why you cant hurl some more crap or even present the complete “Purse” or whatever.

    Ditto for “Domage”, great thing to have but it’s the production that’s questionable, would this make a better freebie promotional thing or even a bonus disc with “Wazoo”? The fact that this was presented as a release worthy of being a solo act is highly questionable, especially since there has to be better material of higher performance and recording quality out there.

    “One Shot Deal” suffers from the editorial/production problems which both of these releases suffer from. Here, you (apparently) have a reel built by FZ for an aborted project. If you decide that this project/compilation deserves to be released (disagreeing with FZ’s initial choice, though there is nothing wrong with this, IMHO), you need to consider whether this will stand on its own or whether it could use other ‘enhancements’: perhaps reject the edit of “Yellow Snow” for the complete version or add some bonus material relevant to the music on this release, this may include interviews, studio chatter, longer takes, studio over dubs, remixes, etc.

    Cap this off with linear notes which CLEARLY discusses where the tape comes from, what is on it, where it comes from, how it has been altered (everything is remixed/remastered and re-edited in some way) and justification of why this has been done and in general, what the relevance of this release is (with none of that AAFANRAA nonsense, FZ was even that rude re:”Ahead of Their Time” linear notes). It is not that hard and oddly enough, it requires more effort to produce Sloatman’s bizarre, often indecipherable Zappaeze.

    There is even precedent in the ZFT releases, “Mystery Disc”, “The Lost Episodes” and “Lather” come to mind as well-done projects with informative linear notes (re: “Mystery” downright obsessive) and full discs. And dont try and justify “One Shot Deal”‘s skimpy time constraints on some hair-brained notion of preserving composer’s intent, “Lather” was quite tampered with (by Joe I might add) ‘suffering’ from remixes from other sources and new songs replacing tracks (often unreleased as of now) off the original acetate. And though these editorial/production decisions were not explained to the buyer (considering it is marketed as the unreleased 1977 “Lather” project, they should have a goddamned explanation why what we bought WASNT what we were promised), they still were able to tell us what the Hell it was.

    Though the competence, clarity and quality of these releases probably has more to do with the fact that they were Rykodisc products than with the fact that Sloatman & Co. overseen their production.

    Fuck the litigation, fuck ZPZ and all the other garbage and let’s get to the point: the fact is that by general standards, “One Shot Deal” is a piss poor release. There is no cohesiveness to the music (even “Lost Episodes” blends together), it leaves 20 minutes of space on the disc (when FZ was working with cds, he even doubled up his albums to help fill up the gaps) and the linear notes are scarce and border on cryptic. I wouldnt take this from a new artist nor would I expect this from an archival release by any other band, I mean, I’ve seen plenty of Zappa bootlegs which were of higher quality production (aside from fidelity concerns) than what the ZFT has been releasing.

  37. Paul Sempschi says:

    re: none of that AAFANRAA nonsense

    “FZ wasnt* even that rude re:”Ahead of Their Time” linear notes” sorry. Oh and OSD isnt a build reel by FZ, it’s a ‘compilation’, my bad…

  38. Alex says:

    I just shrug this stuff off. My friend teaches the Zappa course at IU and he has only fleeting interest in the posthumous stuff. I really enjoy the Lost Episodes, the Mystery Disc, and Lather. And Paul, as you pointed out yourself, those albums are the best-compiled of the lot. Note they’re all on Ryko, an institution Ms. Sloatman has regularly trashed, from their green jewel cases right on down to assembling compilations such as Strictly Commercial. (It’s worth mentioning that Strictly Commercial reignited my desire for more Zappa beyond the three albums I had way back in 2001.)

    What is the deal with this stuff? Never mind the quest to “fill” up the 80 minutes allotted on a disc, how about stuff with some cohesion? Yet ANOTHER rendition of “The Illinois Enema Bandit?” Great…how about “Junior Mintz Boogie”? Or more deluxo reissues of the early albums? The ORIGINAL mix of Lumpy Gravy? The Uncle Meat acetate? The WOIIFTM demos? How about more full shows – and not ZPZ crap?

  39. urbangraffito says:

    [quote comment=”1763″]I just shrug this stuff off. My friend teaches the Zappa course at IU and he has only fleeting interest in the posthumous stuff. I really enjoy the Lost Episodes, the Mystery Disc, and Lather. And Paul, as you pointed out yourself, those albums are the best-compiled of the lot. Note they’re all on Ryko, an institution Ms. Sloatman has regularly trashed, from their green jewel cases right on down to assembling compilations such as Strictly Commercial. (It’s worth mentioning that Strictly Commercial reignited my desire for more Zappa beyond the three albums I had way back in 2001.)

    What is the deal with this stuff? Never mind the quest to “fill” up the 80 minutes allotted on a disc, how about stuff with some cohesion? Yet ANOTHER rendition of “The Illinois Enema Bandit?” Great…how about “Junior Mintz Boogie”? Or more deluxo reissues of the early albums? The ORIGINAL mix of Lumpy Gravy? The Uncle Meat acetate? The WOIIFTM demos? How about more full shows – and not ZPZ crap?[/quote]

    Excellent points, Alex. I have quite a few of the Ryko compilations (one of which shares a name with our beloved web page) and have never had cause to complain. They are well put together, and certainly do their job of attracting new listeners to FZ and the Mothers. Indeed, Ryko has done a fantastic job since day one promoting the catalogue of FZ…

  40. jane23 says:

    One Shit Deal
    I bought Freak Out in 1966 and every Zappa release since.
    I enjoyed the Joe’s Barrage series; Lost Episodes and Healing Nicely.
    But, I have really lost interest in concert versions of old material.
    I would prefer studio recordings of stuff I haven’t heard yet.
    Snoozing with Sloatman and the Vets.
    It would be nice if the ZFT put 1/10 of the effort into these “new” releases as Frank put into his work. Ok, maybe that is asking alot but it seems to me as though they are really slacking.

  41. andre says:

    nice that all you negative fucks are contained to this site —
    thank you KUR what a service — and on the other side of the ocean
    there is woompass zipfel with flappendale doing the same —
    GO DZ AND GZ GO GO GO —

  42. holeinme says:

    …over the camp in the valley

  43. urbangraffito says:

    [quote comment=”1791″]nice that all you negative fucks are contained to this site —
    thank you KUR what a service — and on the other side of the ocean
    there is woompass zipfel with flappendale doing the same —
    GO DZ AND GZ GO GO GO —[/quote]

    andre, I think you have mistaken this forum for the one at zappa.com. If you have something more constructive to add to this discussion beyond GO DZ AND GZ GO GO GO come on back anytime. Otherwise, I’m sure the ZFT can never have enough cronies or “yes” men singing their limited praises.

  44. jane23 says:

    For instance, I am a Band Leader and the Grand Wazoo were excellent inclusions on the Lost Episodes compilation.
    I’d like more stuff like that to be released, or am I just being too negative?

  45. Paul Sempschi says:

    Dont knock “The Grand Wazoo”, Beefheart AND synclavier, what are the odds? The dialogue tracks are great, they often allow for contrast, relief or help segue tracks together, do they work on their own?
    Hmm, let me check “The Purse” again…

  46. Barry's Imaginary Publisher says:

    [quote comment=”1791″]nice that all you negative fucks are contained to this site —
    thank you KUR what a service — and on the other side of the ocean
    there is woompass zipfel with flappendale doing the same —
    GO DZ AND GZ GO GO GO —[/quote]
    Nice to see someone who previously posted under the nick “chiggen” all of a sudden takes on the name “andre”. Please don’t post pretending to be someone you are not. It’s dumb behaviour and potentially damaging to the person you are posing as.

    Just to make it clear: I can assure everyone this wasn’t “the” andre cholmondeley commenting.

  47. Alex says:

    The clarification was nice, Barry…I really honestly thought this was the same Andre involved in that altercation with one of Dweezil’s ham-fisted thugs.

    And thanks for backing me up, Urban. Directly from my heart to you. 🙂

    Jane123 – the archival stuff is really cool, lots of little clues here & there into Zappa’s genius, but the Joe’s Barrage materials had some rhyme and reason to them, this just seems like the musical equivalent of a potluck dinner. Or a potluck pancake breakfast.

  48. andre says:

    andre who? a that andre that one called homondeley he is a gay guy which is up set since he could not get close to frank —-

  49. urbangraffito says:

    [quote comment=”1798″]andre who? a that andre that one called homondeley he is a gay guy which is up set since he could not get close to frank —-[/quote]

    andre, er, bernard, er, nick, er, whatever… I give up!

  50. andre says:

    that andre guy is a flake enough said 🙂 Hope Ike will find a better band to play for or play his own music which rocks — You should feature Ike willis music on this site and post his web site ike willis .com

  51. andre ntj says:

    I actually like gay guys – not that there is anything wrong with that.

  52. Carlin says:

    What the fuck is this? I have bought all FZ albums before and I have earned the fucking right to get better albums than this.
    Furthermore, it is my opinion that ZpZ must be destroyed

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