Conceptional Continuity

[Debrakadabra]

The only objection I would have to your arguments, if I understand them, is that the future is not the future if you are there already.  I think that is what FZ is talking about in that interview.  Which is something different than premonition.  It is either being in a state outside of time or the possibililty of traveling in time in a manner similar to our ability to travel in space.  It seems in your quotation on quantum physics that the emitter is able to do this to some extent.  Whether FZ actually believed in this or whether he was just discussing the possibility is another question.  If we are in a timeless state (which could be what death is all about) we might be able to do the same thing and choose what particular time we would want to experience at any given time (for want of a better word).  

Another possibility is that FZ was trying to say that there is no such thing as matter and that everything is energy in a state of transition in discrete states that disappear when you step back far enough.

A warning, however, all philosohpies in their description of the universe end up contradicting themselves.  What is the answer?  Keep your mind open to possibilities, but keep your eyes open to what is going on around you.  Theories will eventually collapse on themselves and are the priviledge of those with much leisure time.

DebK

[bertanya]

Sorry, didn't mean to be cause trouble.  

In the interview Sharleena posted, there are the comments...

 DM: Which means that the future has already happened.  
 FZ: Yeah....

Which is the bit that i doubt - though should i trust the book that suggested the other view !!!

But I like to discuss this stuff, and since he dedicated his autobiography to Stephen Hawking it's presumably all very fz.

[Zappa Is Best]

Look, if I'm gonna buy ANYTHING, it'll be a sexy new Green Rosetta. I don't appreciate whoring words for money. Information is NOT knowledge, and knowledge should be FREE! Absolutely FREE! So yeah....pizza.

[bertanya]

Update on the ongoing reasearches.....

Premis, everything is happening at the same time - fine.

Magic ink, there is a concept in daoism of 4th time that was viewed as real time - see cd2 of http://www.energyarts.com/Books-and-Audio-Visual/vmchk/Health-and-Wellness/Ancient-Songs-of-the-TAOCD.html

So being the wise rrrrr dudes they'd say they's been, modesty notwithstanding, it appears you - not your cells of course - can escape this ersatz time that music inhabits.

But presumably you can also not escape..... potentially no music after all.....

So this would seem to be an uncertainty that isn't about anything quantifiable, since no cells are involved.

So would this affect the unchanging wanna be time. Not really sure on this.

If you take a chair out of a room, has the room changed. Not in the sense of being a room. Only in the sense of being a room with n chairs.

So what if time was like this room, always the same, and then different, though, immediately again always the same. You have two timeless times, and a transitional change.

So counter thesis, the unchanging time maybe can change - or transfom, though not definitely, and perhaps not often !!

No idea what this real time is about though. Back to the researches.....