Fillmore East - June 1971
|Some vinyl pressings start
side 2 with a fade, some with a cold start. Now, which version has "the
most music" on it? ;)
The ugly item above was sold on ebay.com in
the summer of 2000, said to be the Taiwanese First Records TD-1116
One vinyl track, part two of "Willie the Pimp", is missing from the CD. The
1995 Ryko CD adds some extra cover/booklet artwork.
What we need: What is the Old Masters vinyl like? How does
the 1995 CD compare to older discs?
ESSENTIAL VERSIONS FOR COMPLETISTS: The vinyl (it has a track that is not on the CD). [completist's guide]
- Original vinyl (Bizarre MS 2042, August 1971 (repressed in 1973))
- Canadian & European vinyl (Reprise MS 2042 in
Canada, Reprise K 44150 in the UK, REP 44150 in Germany, 44150 in France (and possibly
Germany) August 1971)
- Greek vinyl (Reprise 44150)
- Japanese vinyl (Reprise P-8151R)
- Mexican vinyl: The Mothers en el Fillmore East - 1971 (Gamma
GX01-01494, entire sleeve in Spanish)
- Brazilian vinyl (re-issued in 1979 as WEA 28.026 ("LIVE IN
CONCERT" on label))
- Australian vinyl (Reprise MS 2042, 1971)
- New Zeeland vinyl (Reprise RS 2042, side 2 "cold start")
- Taiwanese vinyl (First Records TD-1116, blue label, "different cover,
soft cover" - legit?)
- Cassette (Bizarre M 52042)
- 8-track (Bizarre M 82042 (US?) and/or Reprise 8RM-2042 (Canada?))
- The Old Masters vinyl (Barking Pumpkin BPR
- Original CD (Ryko RCD10167 in the US, Zappa Records CDZAP29 in
the US, May 1990; VACK [50-something] in Japan; Ryko D30380 in Australia, 1990)
- 1995 CD (Ryko RCD 10512, May 30 1995; VACK 5121 in Japan,
renumbered 5256 in 1998; also in a BMG Record
Club version (1088061))
- 1995 cassette (Ryko RAC 10512, May 30 1995; also in a BMG
Record Club version (1088061))
- Japanese paper-sleeve CD (Ryko/VACK 1213,
October 24 2001 - Bizarre inner sleeve)
- "Little House I Used to Live in" bootleg CD
And on the weird side, parts of this album seem to have been issued in Poland as a set
of flexi-disc postcards.
- "Little House I Used to Live in" is listed as "Little House I Used to Stay
in" on the Australian vinyl.
There are two versions of the LP: one where "Willie the Pimp Part
2" fades in and one where it starts cold. No idea which is which, how to
tell, etc. From Vladimir Zak:
I got the Fillmore East vinyl, Bizarre MS 2042, Made in USA,
repressed in 1973 (mustard yellow label), and "Willie the Pimp Part
2" fades in.
Mike Espinoza weighs in:
I've solved the issue with the two versions of Willie The Pimp, Part Two on
Fillmore East, June 1971.
I compared an MP3 that I have of the cold start with my own vinyl copy of the
fade in version that I recorded onto a wav file. I have determined that the
cold start version is one second longer than the fade in from the point where
the fade in version is first audible. The two files that I have are the exact
same length, but the cold start MP3 is about one second off of the other file
and ends sooner. This means that the cold start version has more music, but
not by much; the cold start version goes for about six seconds before the fade
in version reaches full volume. So, the cold start version is preferable,
but, ultimately, who gives a fuck anyway?. We are talking insane completist territory.
Had Frank actually included the song on the CD, the fade in version probably
would have sounded better anyway.
Canadian & European Vinyl
On the Canadian and European vinyl issues, the last track on side 1, part one
"Willie the Pimp", ends cold instead of fading out as on the US
vinyl. Except the Greek version:
From Ryan Davenport:
The Greek version of Fillmore East - June 1971 is a bit different
than I expected. Unlike the other European releases, "Willie the Pimp
Part I" fades out, like the American version. Side 2 starts cold. The
album cover is derived from the English version of the cover, which has a
different "Fine Print Dept." than the American version did. The
artwork on the spine is different on the Greek release, however. The English
and American releases both have the same spine, with "MOTHERS - Fillmore
East, June 1971" taking up the top half of the spine. On the Greek
cover, the handwriting is smaller, is placed in the middle of the spine, and
is not written by Cal Schenkel.
From Biffy the Elephant Shrew:
Well, it was like this: we were in the South Bay already ... I'd picked up a copy
of French TV's Intestinal Fortitude at CD Warehouse ... and I asked
my wife to drive into San Jose so I could buy an E-flat blues harp at Guitar Center. With
that mission accomplished, we stopped off at Tower Records in Campbell (I picked up a
Sonny Boy Williamson CD for $8.99) and then to a nearby used record shop, where I found a
Japanese copy of Fillmore East, June 1971. As many of you know, Japanese
albums usually come with lyric inserts that are transcribed by ear, with frequently
bizarre results. And this was a goodie. Some of the errors are merely misspellings, such
as "mud shark arpedio", "Tiera Del Frago" or "a succlent young
lady with a taste for the bazzar". But here are some of the other amusing
transcriptions (all spelling, capitalization and punctuation as printed, but I won't
attempt to replicate the eccentric spacing):
- Not only do they have mud sharks up here,
they got little octopus, chicken-cats
- This is the swingingest place
in New York City
- My girl friend digs it with a hot to do dadel
- Don't call us groupies that is going too far.
We wouldn't ball you just to keep after us all.
Talking about your paranoids baby.
- didn't you just say
that you got off being duped with a baby
- What say we hop, in trunk of your Cremlin
- one enchillada raped with pickle sauce
But the best of all is "Bwana Dik", which I present here in its entirety:
I got the thing you need.
I am endowed beyond your whildest creams
Girls from all over the world
flock to write my name on tolit walls
of the whiskey-Ago-Go.
Boy, I am Bwana Dik.
I am Bwana Dik,
we want a nickle,
we want a nickle.
My Dick is a monstar.
Give me your heart,
my dick is a lecture he knows it by heart.
My dick is a harley, your ticket to stars.
One of it speaks the others for park.
My dick is a dazen of fortitude babe.
My dick is a reamer to scream up your snatch.
Steamin', creamin', creamin'.
Funny that they heard the word "slit" as "snatch," which has the
right meaning but the wrong sound. Later on, they substitute "slit" for
"clit", so the slit quota is at least maintained.
A number of lines were even beyond the power of the Japanese transcriber to guess at,
like "acetylene nirvana hemorrhoids," "iridescent naugahyde python
screaming steamroller" or the three lines beginning with "Wall-mounted TV
screen". These are replaced with dotted lines.
Hey, it's just a bunch of to do dadel, anyway ...
From Mikael Agardsson:
Let it be said that the lyric transcriptions are much better on later albums. One
little thing about the lyric sheet: the front page has a black & white picture of
Zappa (the same picture as on the gatefold Hot Rats cover, and
the Zappéd LP). And the obi is a bit
special, with the big kana having the same jagged edges as the English writing on the
From Collecting Frank Zappa in Australia - Part
1: The Early Years, an article by Stuart Penny in it - The Australian Record
Collectors Magazine, Issue #14 June-July-August 1995 (provided by Henry
Griggs, Sydney, Australia):
Not only was heavy lamination the order of the day here (thus, presumably, negating the
whole point of the primitive bootleg-style artwork?), but a wonderful schoolboy-style
howler on the label changed the opening "Little House I Used to Live in" to the
distinctly more Australian-flavoured "Little House I Used to Stay
There used to be a little note here that said:
On the 8-track, part two of "Willie the Pimp" (the first track on side 2 of
the vinyl; left out from the CD) fades in instead
of the abrupt start on all vinyl releases.
But now we know that there are two versions of the LP: one where it fades in
and one where it starts cold. No idea which is which, how to tell, etc.
From Neil in the UK:
This album was badly recorded to begin with. The CD makes that all the more apparent.
Vocals have been treated and improved.
I don't know why people keep saying that this album "can't be helped". "Shove
It Right In" and the Playground Psychotics tracks sound fantastic. This
album would benefit massively from a remix (preferably done by Spence Chrislu).
If not, the original master definitely needs to be pulled.
Apparently, some artwork from the vinyl was also missing, but this was restored on the 1995 re-issue.
"Willie the Pimp"
On the vinyl, part one of "Willie the Pimp" concluded side one, and part two
opened side two. For the CD release, they could not be edited together as one track,
because they were in fact not from the same solo. Instead of using both tracks as they
were, Zappa kept only the first part and left out part two completely.
DANIEL NORRIS: Is it indeed worth getting the vinyl Fillmore East
album just for the second half of the "Willie the Pimp" solo? Like I'm not going
to buy it anyway, I just want someone to encourage me to spend my money this way.
CHARLES ULRICH: It's not the second half of the "Willie the Pimp" solo; it's
a different "Willie the Pimp" solo. It works fine when you have to flip the LP
in between the two parts. But they couldn't be edited together elegantly because they are
at different tempi.
CHRIS MAXFIELD: All of the above is true, but it doesn't change the fact that the track
in question that was left off the CD was called "Willie the Pimp Part Two". And
who told Frank that every song on every CD had to segue? If we didn't mind flipping over
the record and hearing the other version/second half, why would we mind a fade, a brief
pause, and a start up of part two? Why? Why? I discussed this
further in some other post in this thread when I complained about similar "segue
crimes" on Tinsel-Town Rebellion.
MICHAEL GULA: When the compact disk was a new, breakthrough medium, I believe there was
an effort, especially on the part of pioneers like Frank Zappa, to distinguish it from any
previous medium. That is probably why Zappa was displeased with the EMI CDs [of Tinsel-Town Rebellion, Sheik
Yerbouti and You Are What You Is - Ed.]
since they largely utilized the same masters used for the vinyl disks. He didn't want the
only audible difference between his CDs and the vinyl issues to be the absence of surface
noise. I believe he wanted the CDs to sound as though the albums had been originally
recorded and sequenced with the CD in mind. A fade, followed by a blank space and the
continuation of the song would serve as a reminder, "This CD is just a copy of a
vinyl record." He evidently wanted to avoid that effect. If Zappa had been forced to
wait until the CD was no longer a new technology before re-issuing his catalog, he likely
would have made quite different decisions and we would have better Zappa CDs available
The 1995 CD re-issue featured some new artwork: an inlay sheet behind the tray, which
Cal Schenkel identified as "an ad from the campaign". Official Ryko statement:
"New master. New timing sheet. Restored artwork." [full statement]
While it has not yet been confirmed, it is likely that the 1995 does not differ
in sound quality from the older discs.
From Juha Sarkkinen:
On the CD, tracks are indexed slightly differently. On the LP "Do You Like My New
Car" is given an incorrect time (07:49 should be 07:08); also "Tears Began to
Fall" (03:50 should be 02:46). The latter mistake also on (at least) the original CD.
Japanese Paper-Sleeve Version (2001-2002)
Starting in 2001, Video Arts Music released a limited-edition series (2000
copies each) of Zappa CDs in
paper sleeves - miniature LP sleeves. There was nothing special about this
series other than the covers, which were very well done - inserts and
"bonuses" were reproduced, the albums that originally had gatefold
covers got little miniature gatefolds, and cover track lists were exactly as on
the corresponding LPs, even in cases where the CD has bonus tracks or a
different track order. Included in this series were some entries that never had
"proper" LP issues, i.e. Läther. Additionally, some rarities--like the "green/gold"
cover of Chunga's Revenge--were reproduced as special items in this run.
We need to stress that the sound quality of these discs matches the US
Ryko issues, which they are clearly derived from. These are collectors
items, not new remastered editions.
LATE-2005-UPDATE: Ryko USA has apparently been importing the overstock
of these releases to sell as domestic "special editions," causing the
speculators who paid top dollar for the entire collection to hari-kari
themselves. This includes some of the discs that, as of August 2005, were pretty
hard to find ("Money" and others).
From Biffy the Elephant Shrew:
A few anomalies in the lyric sheet for Fillmore East - June 1917:
the phrase "acetylene nirvana" in "Latex Solar Beef" is
transcribed as "a Sara Lee nirvana". (Flo & Eddie reveal their
cheesecake fetish?) "Bead jobs" in "Do You Like My New Car?"
becomes "B-jobs." In "What Kind of Girl Do You Think We Are?",
Mark's girlfirend digs it with a "yahoo bottle" - which is
what Mark says, even if he means "Yoo-Hoo" - and then
refers to "corks and sandies". The remark by FZ that I've never been
able to get, after the reference to "Manhattan Island clit," is
presented here as "Save us in Manhattan Island".
LITTLE HOUSE I USED TO LIVE IN Bootleg CD
A bootleg CD called Little
House I Used to Live in is a direct copy of the original CD.
- Any details on cassette versions?
- Any other details on 8-track versions?
- Old Master's version: what's it like, ey?
- Some vinyl LPs start side 2 with a fade, some with a cold start. Now,
which version has "the most music" on it? ;)
- Toshi Okada
- Patrick Neve
- Molten Core Records
- Massi Storey, LP fade-in
- Jade, NZ