Comments on: Rotterdam ‘84 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84 Frank Zappa news, weird links, lumpy gravy. Wanna bun? Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:36:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Hari Ossa http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14252 Hari Ossa Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:33:40 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14252 Some Zappa fanatics may want to beat me on the head with some heavy Les Paul, but I do like the 84' band better than the 88' band, at least the 84' line up had Ray White!!! Some Zappa fanatics may want to beat me on the head with some heavy Les Paul, but I do like the 84′ band better than the 88′ band, at least the 84′ line up had Ray White!!!

]]> By: bernard http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14212 bernard Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:32:34 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14212 " Mothers played Octandre". Octandre is a Varèse composition. Funny: - it was performed for the first time exactly 30 years before I was born ( on my birthday). - it has no rythm, well: no beat Links: http://www.catarchive.com/detailPages/710919.html Best performances of this piece: P. Boulez, Ensemble Modern. It has also been performed by Asko and by Schönberg Ensemble. Available ( cheap ) at Naxos label: http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/2041050/a/Var%E8se:+Arcana,+Octandre,+etc+%2F+Lyndon-Gee,+Castets,+et+al.htm And now for FZ fans: FZs quotations of Octandre ( from 1967 to 1982): http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/songs/Octandre.html ” Mothers played Octandre”. Octandre is a Varèse composition.
Funny:
- it was performed for the first time exactly 30 years before I was born ( on my birthday).
- it has no rythm, well: no beat

Links:
http://www.catarchive.com/detailPages/710919.html

Best performances of this piece: P. Boulez, Ensemble Modern. It has also been performed by Asko and by Schönberg Ensemble.

Available ( cheap ) at Naxos label: http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/2041050/a/Var%E8se:+Arcana,+Octandre,+etc+%2F+Lyndon-Gee,+Castets,+et+al.htm

And now for FZ fans: FZs quotations of Octandre ( from 1967 to 1982):
http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/songs/Octandre.html

]]> By: urbangraffito http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14209 urbangraffito Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:49:40 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14209 Birdman! -- the audio track from the Youtube clip you speak of is available at Zappateers (I know, some folks find downloading torrents too slow) as "The Beat Club, Bremen, West Germany, 6 Oct 1968". Setlist is as follows: Improvisations, King Kong, Pound For A Brown, Sleeping In A Jar, Uncle Meat Variations, Lohengrin, Let's Make The Water Turn Black, Octandre. Birdman! — the audio track from the Youtube clip you speak of is available at Zappateers (I know, some folks find downloading torrents too slow) as “The Beat Club, Bremen, West Germany, 6 Oct 1968″. Setlist is as follows: Improvisations, King Kong, Pound For A Brown, Sleeping In A Jar, Uncle Meat Variations, Lohengrin, Let’s Make The Water Turn Black, Octandre.

]]> By: Birdman! http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14208 Birdman! Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:51:49 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14208 Hey Scott - it's always comforting to hear someone else publicly voice doubts about the original Mothers. A lot of the original attraction to Zappa, for me, was drum/bass pairings like Bozzio/O'Hearn, Colaiuta/Barrow, and Thunes/Wackerman + Zappa guitar. After listening to that, I could not understand the appeal of the Mothers. The fantastic Mothers "Uncle Meat Variations" Beatclub 1968 clip I saw on Youtube induced a conversion experience - I didn't just "understand", I KNEW! I was going to include the link here, but I checked it out and "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Studio Hamburg Distribution & Marketing GmbH" If you're going to exercise your copyright, then publish the material! Kriege Bondola!!! Hey Scott - it’s always comforting to hear someone else publicly voice doubts about the original Mothers. A lot of the original attraction to Zappa, for me, was drum/bass pairings like Bozzio/O’Hearn, Colaiuta/Barrow, and Thunes/Wackerman + Zappa guitar. After listening to that, I could not understand the appeal of the Mothers.
The fantastic Mothers “Uncle Meat Variations” Beatclub 1968 clip I saw on Youtube induced a conversion experience - I didn’t just “understand”, I KNEW! I was going to include the link here, but I checked it out and “This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Studio Hamburg Distribution & Marketing GmbH”

If you’re going to exercise your copyright, then publish the material!
Kriege Bondola!!!

]]> By: urbangraffito http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14205 urbangraffito Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:15:07 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14205 What kind of Zappa freak does not like the original Mothers? Or any incarnation of the Mothers for that matter? Strange, strange. What kind of Zappa freak does not like the original Mothers? Or any incarnation of the Mothers for that matter? Strange, strange.

]]> By: urbangraffito http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14204 urbangraffito Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:09:38 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14204 After listening to this Friday's boot courtesy of Magic Fingers, I'm starting to understand why so many dislike the 1984 tour. Unlike the 27 Feb 79 Ahoy show (with Tommy Mars, Ed Mann & Vinnie Colaiuta) and the 24 May 80 Ahoy show (with Mars & David Logeman), I found myself cringing each time I heard Alan Zavod playing (I mean, he really must've been having an off night this night -- I've heard other 84 shows which never gave me this kind of visceral reaction). As a complete aside, though, I find it odd that one has to go to Zappa bootlegs to hear Tommy Mars in all his glory (i.e. Pound For A Brown, Little House I Used To Live In) but hardly at all in the official releases. Strange thing, that. After listening to this Friday’s boot courtesy of Magic Fingers, I’m starting to understand why so many dislike the 1984 tour. Unlike the 27 Feb 79 Ahoy show (with Tommy Mars, Ed Mann & Vinnie Colaiuta) and the 24 May 80 Ahoy show (with Mars & David Logeman), I found myself cringing each time I heard Alan Zavod playing (I mean, he really must’ve been having an off night this night — I’ve heard other 84 shows which never gave me this kind of visceral reaction).

As a complete aside, though, I find it odd that one has to go to Zappa bootlegs to hear Tommy Mars in all his glory (i.e. Pound For A Brown, Little House I Used To Live In) but hardly at all in the official releases. Strange thing, that.

]]> By: scott http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14203 scott Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:46:12 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14203 IMHumbleO This is not my favorite Zappa band. My least favorite, overall, is the original Mothers. (I am referring ONLY to live performances that I have heard.) BUT, this band had it's moments, as did the first Mothers. That Evil Prince from the 84 band is SUBLIME. IMHumbleO

This is not my favorite Zappa band. My least favorite, overall, is the original Mothers. (I am referring ONLY to live performances that I have heard.)

BUT, this band had it’s moments, as did the first Mothers.
That Evil Prince from the 84 band is SUBLIME.

]]> By: timmo http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14199 timmo Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:29:42 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14199 little inspiration from Frank during the first half? sounds fine to me, check out the first few seconds of the More Trouble solo, to pick one example ..... wowzer. little inspiration from Frank during the first half? sounds fine to me, check out the first few seconds of the More Trouble solo, to pick one example ….. wowzer.

]]> By: timmo http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14198 timmo Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:45:24 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14198 i forgot the loss of ed mann too! that's a big part of 'the zappa sound'. i forgot the loss of ed mann too! that’s a big part of ‘the zappa sound’.

]]> By: timmo http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14197 timmo Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:42:19 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14197 you make some good points there mcnastie, but i thought chad's drum solo on this week's cleveland sounds great, and it would be even better hearing it live. i never got the chance to see any zappa live being too young, but i'm sure this band sounded a lot better being there to witness it. zavod's synth sound is very cheesy though, hehe. you make some good points there mcnastie, but i thought chad’s drum solo on this week’s cleveland sounds great, and it would be even better hearing it live.

i never got the chance to see any zappa live being too young, but i’m sure this band sounded a lot better being there to witness it.

zavod’s synth sound is very cheesy though, hehe.

]]> By: mcnastie http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14196 mcnastie Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:37:20 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14196 i've said it before, and i'll say it again: yamaha dx7s + synthetic toms = devil in the details. unless, of course, we are talking about janet jackson's live band for the 'control' tour or some shit. zappa's music is so specific in terms of timbre and dynamics, and early digital just wasn't up to the job. there's a reason why chad was back on acoustic drums and ed mann was brought back into the fold for the '88 band. but i appreciate any and all offerings. loved that chicago '80 show - thanks for keeping it around an extra week! i’ve said it before, and i’ll say it again: yamaha dx7s + synthetic toms = devil in the details. unless, of course, we are talking about janet jackson’s live band for the ‘control’ tour or some shit.

zappa’s music is so specific in terms of timbre and dynamics, and early digital just wasn’t up to the job. there’s a reason why chad was back on acoustic drums and ed mann was brought back into the fold for the ‘88 band.

but i appreciate any and all offerings. loved that chicago ‘80 show - thanks for keeping it around an extra week!

]]> By: timmo http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14195 timmo Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:07:29 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14195 I don't think the 84 tour was all that bad myself. Very synthetic sounds sometimes, but hey it was the 80z! Any band is gonna be looked down on if they had just lost Steve Vai & Tommy Mars. I don’t think the 84 tour was all that bad myself.
Very synthetic sounds sometimes, but hey it was the 80z!

Any band is gonna be looked down on if they had just lost Steve Vai & Tommy Mars.

]]> By: Balint http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14193 Balint Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:26:24 +0000 http://www.killuglyradio.com/hot-poop/2007/07/20/rotterdam-84#comment-14193 Hey, Mr Magic, I've alwalys liked your offers - and your fine comments, from the faraway land called "Eng"! Thenk thenk thenk!! Hey, Mr Magic, I’ve alwalys liked your offers - and your fine comments, from the faraway land called “Eng”! Thenk thenk thenk!!

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