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International Conference of Esemplastic Zappology now ONLINE
« on: February 03, 2004, 10:36:18 PM »

Via Zutalors......

ICE-Z: International Conference of Esemplastic Zappology

  ... which took place at Theatro Technis on Crowndale Road on Friday,
16
  January 2004, has now been put  ONLINE:  

http://www.militantesthetix.co.uk/ice-z/ice-z.htm

THE PAPERS
 
Marco Maurizi (Rome) Zappa's 'Cheepnis' & the Poverty of Philosophy

Simon Prentis (Hampstead, London) 'The Torture Never Stops': FZ & the Mental Hygiene Dilemma

Ben Watson (Somers Town, London) Houston ... Fort .. Marcuse: Sin versus Archetype in Zappa

Esther Leslie (Birkbeck , London) Compliment Any Burger You Put On (Center-Hinge Sliced)

Jürgen Gispert (Leipzig) The Conservatism of Easy Rider: Zappa's Critique of Dumb Concepts of Freedom

Sean Bonney (Vauxhall) A Dagger in the Head of Mojo-Man

Keston Sutherland (Gonville & Caius College, Cambridge) What's the Ugliest Part of your Market-researched Anaclitic-affect Repertoire? [Franz Zappa als Anlehnungstypuskritik]

Paul Sutton (Queen Mary's College, London) Bogus Pomp & Bourdieu's Paradox: Zappa & Resentment

Richard Hemmings (De Montfort University, Leicester) The Treatment of Random Pitches in Frank Zappa’s 'Approximate'

Dominique Jeunot (Paris) on The Secret Meaning of 'Arf': Canine
Continuity in the Output Macrostructure

T.H.F. Drenching (aka Stu Calton) (Levenshulme, Manchester) 'Water Melon In Easter Hay': The Function of the Reverb Unit & the Poverty of the Individual Spirit

Gamma (Kentish Town) Poodles: a Zappological reading of Ulysses

Francesco Gentile (Rome) Xenoarrangements, or, Insane Grafts Day-Dreamed by a Zappa hardcore Fanatic not inclined to exit his Monomaniacal World

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Re:International Conference of Esemplastic Zappology now ONLINE
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2004, 09:03:08 AM »


Just for fun, I'll paste here my e-mail to the two men who run the parent site, some guy whose name escapes me at the moment plus, as far as I can tell, our dear old Out to Lunch.

(A bit of background: Mr. Watson and I have traded some scathing e-mails about each other's books, started off by his informing me that he didn't appreciate my comments about him in Zappology, which is odd since I don't think there's anything mean in there.)

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Sent 2/4/04

So what do I do? Have a Cease-and-Desist order delivered to you because you've taken the name of my copyrighted book and entitled your website thus? Even if I could, which I probably can't (wasn't the word coined in a UK fanzine in the first place?), I probably wouldn't. But asking permission would have been professional, wouldn't you say?

(It's perfectly possible that you haven't even heard of my own volume, which I decided to make available for free rather than publishing, since I couldn't bear the thought of making money writing strictly about someone else's music, unlike our Marxist friend. For the E-Book entitled Zappology, feel free to visit here:)

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7206

Having said all of this, I enjoyed reading most of the papers you've graciously provided for online viewing.

A link to my site might not be an inconsiderate gesture. Just a thought; not a threat, a whine nor a plea. I could reciprocate if you care.

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Re:International Conference of Esemplastic Zappology now ONLINE
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2004, 02:47:52 PM »


Well, ol' Mr. Watson wrote me back. Seems he doesn't appreciate the bit in my book where I call the Marxist agenda he applied to Frank's music in Poodle Play "silly." I told him that the writer of "In Defense of Rubbish" shouldn't have his feelings hurt by such a word.  Smiley  (I'm not sure if he has legal recourse to ask me to remove references to his book or not. I guess we'll see what he says. Rather grumpy chap, but maybe I caught him on a bad day or something.)
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Re:International Conference of Esemplastic Zappology now ONLINE
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2004, 04:25:52 PM »

I presume zappology the website, postdates (linear time perspective arguments notwithstanding) zappology the online book. If he thinks it's a must have title for his online output, guess most of us can empathise with the feeling.  Are you gonna change the name of your book now. How about zappapology. Is my suggestion anyway.

Read the article from mr watson, and it's at least a bit more comprehensible than the previous perusal of one of his papers.  One comment bothered me though, 'the materialism, honesty and directness of the blues'. Now i've listened to a lot of blues records, and sure there are material concerns, 'cos when your hungry or oppressed, and get the blues, it's a material problem, but i wouldn't have called it materialism. A quick search for other info on this found some reviews of blues records such as 'The somber title track, about materialism's eventual void...'.  

But then even the buddha, was against too much spiritualism, just as much as too much materialism, before he went on to see things in cinemascope, two millenia before the invention of wide screen tv.

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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2004, 09:34:10 PM »

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Are you gonna change the name of your book now. How about zappapology. Is my suggestion anyway.
I dunno... It sounds too much like a letter from former band members, written to the ZFT...
Hey! I know, you could change the title of your book (yeah, I know; why the fuck should I? I had it first! I was even careful to spell it differently than Oberman's "Zappalogy", just so there wouldn't be this kind of confusion. That's okay, we understand. Read on) to "The Positive Dialectics of Poodle Play"...
That oughta give Mr. I'm-a-Marxist-so-therefore-everyone-is-and-I-can-apply-Adorno-to-the-miracle-of-birth-if-I-want-to Ben Watson something to think about...
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2004, 02:44:25 PM »

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I dunno... It sounds too much like a letter from former band members, written to the ZFT...
Yea, I thought later it was kind of on the wrong note. The idea was that is was using the original greek terms apo and logos.

apo - (out) of

logos - speech

But before i researched the above, i'd previously thought of apo as 'by way of' or 'through', so, poor suggestion, but hey, at least now i've learned something.
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2004, 08:13:35 PM »

Chris:

I like this part in your post:

Having said all of this, I enjoyed reading most of the papers you've graciously provided for online viewing.

A link to my site might not be an inconsiderate gesture. Just a thought; not a threat, a whine nor a plea. I could reciprocate if you care.


Have you considered a pre-emptive pre-reciprocation? In a venerable beat-the-boots fashion you could mention your site's pre-dating of his-of-the-same-name, link to it and move on.  Life is too short.

BTW, your site looks great.  I have very limited on-line time here but text downloads rapidly so I made an offline e-book of your site, as I have of his.  Next dust storm here I will put on some Frank, sit back and do some reading.  I will be made in the shade.  

Thanx for your efforts to present your volume.

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Re:International Conference of Esemplastic Zappology now ONLINE
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2004, 08:08:23 AM »


Thanks for the kind suggestions, all. Moving on has certainly been done already; however, Ben explained to me that he didn't want to link his site to mine because they only link to papers that follow along the same main theme or something like that. No problem; unlike him, I'm not making a long living out of writing tenuously connected things about another man's music.  Wink
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