Welcome to Uncle Beat!

[Kill Ugly Radio]

This board has been created following this thread from a while back.

What is it about? It is about letting as much people as possible enjoy the wide range of Zappa boots. This endeavour is, of course, strictly non-commercial, and no money will be made by any parties involved in it.

How does it work?
Any person, member of the KUR forums, may start a "vine", i.e. offer up a bootleg, here at the board. Other members interested in getting that boot then "sign up" by responding to the original post. As more people respond, we get a natural chain by which the original boot gets spreaded via snail mail. Each person that signs in on a boot is implicitely obligated to send on the boot to the person that signed up after him, and so forth. This naturally implies that all subscribers to a boot must have the ability to burn a CD!
For the vine to work, we will need VALID email-adresses, so that person X who just received a boot can request person Y for his full address to pass it on.

In a future post I will  list those boardmembers who have graciously volunteered as "hubs" for the spreading of the boots. Watch for that in the near future.

Have fun spreading the music!

[handlebarjohnny]

[size=16]this should be cool.  thanks for the forum, now lets do our part![/size]

[Bálint]

Hi Barry, hi everybody!

I'd like to be a part of this stuff, living in Hungary, and I have list of my stuff. My address is valid (marosib@freestart.hu), and I'm in a hurry, so that's all for now. By the way, does anyone have All You Need Is Glove - a boot of the 84 tour, with NMBrock singing a few songs?

[Bálint]

to make it clear - I'm looking for All you Need is Glove - it's a four-sided LP (it WAS a 4 sided LP), and I olnly have 3 sides of it in mp3.

[Jeff]

This sounds great.  

One bootleg I'm interested in hearing is the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium 1980.

[Isaac Baranoff]

One bootleg I'm interested in hearing is the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium 1980.

I have Disc Two, but I will be unable to send you the audio, because my computer has a problem with sending audio files.

[sharleena]

...the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium 1980.

I have Disc Two, but I will be unable to send you the audio, because my computer has a problem with sending audio files.

Thing-Fish, the way i understand it, the vine is intended to send the discs via mail, not via the computer; meaning that if you have a determined disc, and can burn a copy, you could be starting a vine by sending that copy to a person interested from an eventual list of interested persons, and that person will be sending a copy to the next person in the list, etc. Please, correct me guys if this is not the way it works.
The first purpose for the vine would be to make available the music for people that for some reason can't download the tracks from the internet;  a second, and even more impious and satanic purpose would be to reduce the amounts of downloads in order to improve bandwith situation (see the comments on  http://www.killuglyradio.com/hotpoop/archives/001914.php ) so Barry doesn't have to pay too much OVER what he usually pays (btw) to keep this cozy little refugee in which  we can avoid that feeling of being a pariah, an expatriate of the musical kingdom, a desperado castaway, a vagrant all alone in the world just because one happens to like Frank Zappa...

get it?

[Barry]

Thing-Fish, the way i understand it, the vine is intended to send the discs via mail, not via the computer; meaning that if you have a determined disc, and can burn a copy, you could be starting a vine by sending that copy to a person interested from an eventual list of interested persons, and that person will be sending a copy to the next person in the list, etc.

TRUE!

The first purpose for the vine would be to make available the music for people that for some reason can't download the tracks from the internet;

TRUE!

a second, and even more impious and satanic purpose would be to reduce the amounts of downloads in order to improve bandwith situation

TRUE!

so Barry doesn't have to pay too much OVER what he usually pays (btw) to keep this cozy little refugee in which  we can avoid that feeling of being a pariah, an expatriate of the musical kingdom, a desperado castaway, a vagrant all alone in the world just because one happens to like Frank Zappa...

God I love this woman...

[Bálint]

OK, let there be an offer:
(by the way: a friend just told me he has All You Need is Glove, so I have it, finally)

My offers always mean mp3, because they're exclusively from p2p systems. That's why I don't want to burn them to anyone to CD in CDDA format) - there's more space on the CD in mp3. So in my offer there are a few stuff - burned on one CD (I hope there will be enough space):

1. The Ritz, NY., 1981 nov. 17
Whith drum roadie Brian Peters singing 1 song :-) and Al DiMeola (!!) in two songs. The FM recording lacks the first song and has some other cuts; but the quality is good: A+/A
On Them Or Us and SATLTSTDW you can hear some solos from this show.
It's very close to the "Palladium" show, but I think it has much more energy, dinamism, and so on. Lots of LONG and really MONSTER songs. A long show (2 times 80 min.).
Guitar Player Mag. said in ~1990 it to be "THE BEST CONCERT BY ANYONE ANYWHERE, EVER...";

2. KCETV '74 aug. (I think)
Yes, it's the Dub Room Special show. Great sound quality, great show, great music, great Napoleon :-), some stuff later on One Size Fits All.
And also has some extra track not in the movie: Trouble every Day, Cosmik Debris etc. ~80 min.

3. Berlin, 1978 feb. 15
The "Sheik" tour. From this show you can hear "Rat Tomago", and "Sh. Y. Tango" that happens to be on Sheik Yerbouti.

4. Ahoy, Rotterdam 1980 may
FZ: "The stupidest name for a concrete building I've ever heard" :-)
Great show with a small band: no Ed Mann, no Steve Vai - but there IS Arthur Barrow: his line is strong here, he brings the show on his back. The two vocalist of course Ike Willis and Ray White. One of the best "Chunga's" I've ever heard.

5. "My Gypsy Friends"
This is a bonus: FZ's final gig in Budapest - yes, that's where I am now, that's (sniff-sniff) where I met him. 2 solos, not REAL MONSTER ones, but the last ones, and I WAS THERE!!! :-)
(and I will include a solo from Prague, also '91)

*

OK, these might be popular ones, but they're really great, if ther're some who does'nt have them. I have a whole bunch of stuff waiting, if you have requests, or this list also can be changed. For the shows see details here:
http://home.swipnet.se/fzshows/

[Lonesome Cowboy Squirt]

Bálint:  excellent offer.  I have none of these and would love to participate in this initial vine.  "Gimme that paper, bet your ass I will sign - `cuz I need a boot and it's titty-squeezin´ time!"

[Bálint]

OK - than it seems to be a short queue... :-)
Send me a mail - I can't find yours.

B

[Dunk]

OK - than it seems to be a short queue... :-)
Send me a mail - I can't find yours.

B

I, and I suspect others, are waiting to see how this is going to work out.

It seems that  copy of this disc is going to travel from Hungary to Germany - not too far. But the vine will become tangled (and possible strangled) if the next copy of the disc is sent to someone in the US and then to the UK and then to Australia and then to Italy/US/Japan/Belgum/Canada/Argentina...
 
Should we not establish a hub of vine roots - say at least one in each continent - to start off "local" vines to avoid duplication of postal costs, delays, customs forms etc. etc. ?

Is there someone with access to a fast connection in each country who could download the initial copy and then supply the first snail mail connection?

Do other vines work internationally without problems?

Sorry more questions than answers - perhaps it is just me missing something obvious that everyone else has figured out  

[Lonesome Cowboy Squirt]

Should we not establish a hub of vine roots - say at least one in each continent - to start off "local" vines to avoid duplication of postal costs, delays, customs forms etc. etc. ?

Yes, good suggestion, Dunk.  Whaddaya say, Barry?


OK - than it seems to be a short queue... :-)
Send me a mail - I can't find yours.

Bálint, please check your KUR inbox.

[Barry]

Should we not establish a hub of vine roots - say at least one in each continent - to start off "local" vines to avoid duplication of postal costs, delays, customs forms etc. etc. ?

Yes, good suggestion, Dunk.  Whaddaya say, Barry?

Good suggestion indeed, although I already mentioned the concept of having "Vine Keepers" in the original thread.
If you read that thread you'll see a couple of people in various locations were offering to operate as "hubs". Among them were Al Stone, Noolie, and some others. I would like those people to respond here if they're still up for it. Without those hubs, the vines could indeed turn out very messy, so I think the hub-system is an absolute necessity...

[Lonesome Cowboy Squirt]

Oh yes, I do recall that.  I'd be willing to act as European Vinekeeper, however I have no internet connection myself, so I guess I couldn't be helpful in that sense.  Barry, I imagine you've got enough to do as Webring master and KUR honcho.  Hmmmm....