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Frank Zappa / Strictly Critique / Re:What media are you enjoying?
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on: November 07, 2004, 04:28:45 PM
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Book: Martin Gardner - The Colossal Book of Mathematics: Classic Puzzles, Paradoxes, and Problems. I've always been fascinated by math puzzles and M. Gardner is just on of the best authors on this subject. He also tries to revive some of Sam Loyd's works, a mastermind on math puzzles and inventor of the classic 15 puzzel: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/barry.r.clarke/zsamloyd.htm
DVD: Rammstein - Lichtspielhaus. Just some calm and relaxing stuff right before going to sleep 
CD: something by Zita Swoon, Belgian group with one of the best male singer-songwriter-performer I ever came across (in Belgium of course) |
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Frank Zappa / Strictly Critique / Re:The Zappa Composing Method
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on: October 17, 2004, 02:18:40 PM
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A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians.
- Frank Zappa
(Source: The Real Frank Zappa Book)
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The White Zone / Uncle Beat / Re:Zappathon 2004 at WUSB
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on: September 22, 2004, 11:23:20 AM
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It will be gigantic, not sure if the Musicutter software is capable of such a titanic task. But I'll find out soon...
Y'all have to bit patient, I'll be off the traveling quite a lot in October  so there will be not much time to spare for cue sheet creation and, most important, correcting it so that'll cut the VBR MP3 correctly. But a crude version can be expected soon...
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Frank Zappa / Strictly Critique / Re:re. "Find Her Finer"
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on: September 14, 2004, 04:07:20 PM
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Sorry, I don't see the similarity you mentioned earlier, but the "her" word is abundant in both songs.
[table][td]THE TEMPTATIONS LYRICS
Since I Lost My Baby
The sun is shining, there's plenty of light (oh yeah)
A new day is dawning, sunny and bright (oh yeah)
But after I've been crying all night
The sun is cold, and the new day seems old
Since I lost my baby. (Since I lost my baby.)
Oh, since I lost my baby. (Oh, since I lost my baby.)
The birds are singing and the children are playing
There's plenty of work and the bosses are paying
Not a sad word should a young heart be saying
But fun is a bore and with money I'm poor.
Since I lost my baby. (Since I lost my baby.)
Oh, since I lost my baby. (Oh, since I lost my baby.)
Next time I'll be kinder (Next time I'll be kinder)
Won't you please help me find her (Won't you please help me find her)
Someone just remind her (Someone just remind her)
Of this love she left behind her (Of this love she left behind her)
Till I find her I'll be trying ta (Till I find her I'll be trying ta)
Everyday I'm more inclined ta
Find her
Inclined ta
Find her
Inclined ta find my baby
Been looking everywhere (ba--by)
Baby, I really, really care!
Oh, determination is fading fast (oh yeah)
Inspiration is a thing of the past (oh yeah)
Can't see how my hope's gonna last
Good things are bad and what's happy is sad
Since I lost my baby. (Since I lost my baby.)
Oh, since I lost my baby. (Oh, since I lost my baby.)
I feel so bad (since I lost my baby)
I feel so sad (since I lost my baby)
Everything is wrong
This heart is hard to carry on (since I lost my baby)
I'm lost as can be (since I lost my baby)
What's gonna happen to me?[/td]
[td]ZAPPA LYRICS
Find Her Finer
Find her finer, sneak up behind her,
unwrap like a mummy 'til you finally unwind her.
Find her, blind her, see who designed her,
act like a dummy 'til you finally grind her.
If you should see a girl on the street,
now maybe you might think she is sweet,
but if you wanna tickle her treat,
now really what should you do?
Don't never let her know you are smart.
The universe is no place to start.
You gotta play it straight from the heart,
she gwine renunciate you.
That's why you gotta
Find her finer, sneak up behind her,
unwrap like a mummy 'til you finally unwind her.
Find her, blind her, see who designed her,
act like a dummy 'til you finally grind her.
Now maybe you might think this is crude,
and maybe you might think I am rude,
and maybe this approach I have spewed
is not the one for you.
But believe me later on you'll find,
as you impress her with your mind,
that you will just be left behind,
for a wiser fool.
So you might as well
Find her finer, sneak up behind her,
unwrap like a mummy 'til you finally unwind her.
Find her, blind her, see who designed her,
act like a dummy 'til you finally grind her.
{repeat; fade out}[/td][/table] |
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The White Zone / Uncle Beat / Re:Unreleased and other interesting stuff
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on: September 14, 2004, 02:38:17 PM
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It's all about preserving the recording...
Points taken, you're perfectly right if you wanna trade with the traditional lossless traders, but the same issues stick for MP3 collectors, an MP3 files that has gone through a number of ripping/burning cycles also degenerates in quality.
In my opinion, one of the main reasons not everybody collects lossless is the issues of space; lossless audio compression is about 1:2. For MP3 (depending on quality) the compression rates are between 1:10 for 128 kbps non VBR and 1:4 for 384 kbps non VBR. Lets assume that VBR has an average compression ratio of 1:6.
There are about 1000 Zappa shows recorded, so a full Zappa collection (I wish) will be about 500 CDs (340 Gb) for lossless collectors, 100 CDs (70 Gb) for 128 kbps non VBR, 250 Cds (170 Gb) for 384 kbps non VBR and 170 CDs (115 Gb) for VBR. (All estimates of course).
A second issue for people wanting to start a lossless collection is the vast array of different lossless audio formats available. A quick search on the internet takes you to pages like this showing at least 10 different lossless audio formats. For compressed audio, MP3 is by far the most used format with lots of accessories (players, car stereo's,..) allowing you to listen to your favourit music.
So we can conclude:
- MP3 is easy to use, widely available, take less space on media but does not preserve audio quality. Only collect in MP3 if audio quality is not very important to you.
- lossless is a bit more difficult to use, there's not really a standard format available, takes a bit more media space, but does preserve audio quality. Only collect lossless if audio quality is realy important to you.
- MP3 collectors should not crosstrade with lossless collectors and vise versa.
Browsing the posts on this forum shows that most people are happy with MP3 audio, but perhaps a lossless devotee would be so kind to start a new topic and educate us on the devine art of collecting in lossless format? Maybe this will turn us ignorant on lossless into people able to appreciate quality instead of quantity |
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The White Zone / Uncle Beat / Re:Unreleased and other interesting stuff
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on: September 13, 2004, 03:13:51 PM
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Anyway, about the mp3 thing: I totally agree with you guys that mp3-sourced shows sound just fine. It just seems like a majority of people in other trading circles don't want 'em, and I'd like to be able to trade anything I've got.
Way off topic, but I couldn't resist it:
I just wonder, how do lossless collectors keep their Zappa boot collection? As a stack of 1400 CDs or do they all have an array of multiple 500Gb harddisks? Believe me, there's a huge difference between a collection of 25 and 500+ shows.
And secondly, how many of these lossless collectors can tell the difference between a B or C grade boot as good quality MP3 and a lossless piece? A bad quality show doesn't sound any better lossless than it does in MP3. I agree that for A grade shows the difference between a low quality MP3 and lossless can be dramatic.
Anyway, one should be able to enjoy Franks music anywhere, anythime and for no reason at all in any format available, compressed or not. Amen  |
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The White Zone / Uncle Beat / Re:Zappathon 2004 at WUSB
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on: September 06, 2004, 04:13:11 PM
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Cutting part 1, version 2
Cutting this baby perfectly will be very hard, VBR MP3's are very difficult to cut precisely because of the nature of the Variable Bit Rate. Apparantly the MusiCutter software I described before, has some minor problems extracting a correct length of music using correct cue sheet timing data. It has to do with the omplexity of the VBR header structure and a lot of other techno blabla, but the result is: imperfect cuts.
This second cue sheet was created using Audacity (a freeware MP3 editor  ) to find the exact timecodes for each part and was converted into a cue sheet format readable by Musicutter.
Audacity timecodes in MM:SS:MS format, start of each part is listed:
01 "Discard this (Dylan)" 00:00:000
02 "Introduction (with partial Peaches)" 01:21:680
03 "The Central Scrutenizer" 02:34:580
04 "TALK 1 - Who Was Frank Zappa?" 06:08:420
05 "The Way I See It Barry… - You're Probably Wondering Why I'm Here" 17:42:000
06 "Aerobics In Bondage" 21:22:850
07 "Stick It Out" 24:23:070
08 "Let's Make The Water Turn Black -88-" 26:06:070
09 "Oh No -88-" 29:06:340
10 "Tell Me You Love Me -Tinseltown-" 30:20:490
11 "Dirty Love -YCDTOSA Vol 6-" 32:29:140
12 "Magic Fingers -YCDTOSA Vol 6-" 35:08:740
13 "Debra Kadabra" 37:29:850
14 "Can't Stand It -71-" 41:23:780
15 "The Young Sophisticate -Tinseltown-" 42:04:410
16 "Jones Crusher -Baby Snakes-" 44:40:570
17 "Teenage Prostitute" 47:38:180
18 "Cheepnis" 49:56:390
19 "What Ever Happened To All The Fun In The World?" 54:18:310
20 "Tink Walks Amok" 54:51:200
21 "TALK 2" 58:34:43
22 "St Alphonso's Pancake Breakfast" 63:34:360
23 "FZ Interview 1" 67:34:20
24 "Can't Afford No Shoes" 68:08:480
25 "TALK 3 - Ralph Stuffs His Shoes - Story About Junior Mintz Boogie" 70:46:700
26 "Junior Mintz Boogie" 90:13:950
27 "Bognor Regis?…" 93:09:070
28 "What Will This Evening Bring Me This Morning?" 97:48:980
29 "TALK 4" 101:02:760
30 "Tears Begin To Fall -Junior Mintz B-Side-" 105:10:870
31 "Jelly-Roll Gum Drop" 107:57:650
32 "Anyway The Wind Blows" 110:19:760
33 "You Didn't Try To Call Me" 113:09:490
34 "Dog Breath Variations -Uncle Meat-Vinyl Version?-" 117:07:320
35 "TALK 5" 119:52:460
36 "Cruising For Burgers -76 In New York-" 132:27:390
37 "FZ Interview 2" 141:24:750
38 "Cruising For Burgers -71-" 142:00:450
39 "Cruising For Burgers -Uncle Meat-" 144:53:490
40 "TALK 6 - End of first part -" 147:09:220
And no, these timecodes cannot be used directly by Musicutter, I tried and doing so gives a bunch of errors and lots of MP3 files of only 4K (remember the VBR header thing?).
Again, this new cue sheet is not perfect, there are still misses in fractions of a second, but is the best result I have so far.
I will post a perfect cue sheet when I find good MP3 cutting software that allows cutting VBR MP3's. I know there are some packages that claim VBR support, but none that I have tested proved worthy.
Alternatively, you can use Audacity to import the MP3 and cut each part manually using the timecodes supplied before
Enjoy and please post you comments, questions, suggestions or corrections.
Same procedure as before.
---- Copy after this ----
PERFORMER "Frank Zappa"
TITLE "Zappathon 2004 - Part 1"
FILE "Zappathon 2004 (pt.1).mp3" MP3
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "Discard this (Dylan)"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Introduction (with partial Peaches)"
INDEX 01 01:21:69
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "The Central Scrutenizer"
INDEX 01 02:34:60
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "TALK 1 - Who Was Frank Zappa?"
INDEX 01 06:08:43
TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "The Way I See It Barry… - You're Probably Wondering Why I'm Here"
INDEX 01 17:42:01
TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE "Aerobics In Bondage"
INDEX 01 21:23:12
TRACK 07 AUDIO
TITLE "Stick It Out"
INDEX 01 24:23:07
TRACK 08 AUDIO
TITLE "Let's Make The Water Turn Black -88-"
INDEX 01 26:06:07
TRACK 09 AUDIO
TITLE "Oh No -88-"
INDEX 01 29:06:35
TRACK 10 AUDIO
TITLE "Tell Me You Love Me -Tinseltown-"
INDEX 01 30:20:49
TRACK 11 AUDIO
TITLE "Dirty Love -YCDTOSA Vol 6-"
INDEX 01 32:29:15
TRACK 12 AUDIO
TITLE "Magic Fingers -YCDTOSA Vol 6-"
INDEX 01 35:08:74
TRACK 13 AUDIO
TITLE "Debra Kadabra"
INDEX 01 37:29:11
TRACK 14 AUDIO
TITLE "Can't Stand It -71-"
INDEX 01 41:25:10
TRACK 15 AUDIO
TITLE "The Young Sophisticate -Tinseltown-"
INDEX 01 42:04:42
TRACK 16 AUDIO
TITLE "Jones Crusher -Baby Snakes-"
INDEX 01 44:40:58
TRACK 17 AUDIO
TITLE "Teenage Prostitute"
INDEX 01 47:38:19
TRACK 18 AUDIO
TITLE "Cheepnis"
INDEX 01 49:56:40
TRACK 19 AUDIO
TITLE "What Ever Happened To All The Fun In The World?"
INDEX 01 54:18:31
TRACK 20 AUDIO
TITLE "Tink Walks Amok"
INDEX 01 54:51:21
TRACK 21 AUDIO
TITLE "TALK 2"
INDEX 01 58:34:45
TRACK 22 AUDIO
TITLE "St Alphonso's Pancake Breakfast"
INDEX 01 63:34:36
TRACK 23 AUDIO
TITLE "FZ Interview 1"
INDEX 01 67:34:21
TRACK 24 AUDIO
TITLE "Can't Afford No Shoes"
INDEX 01 68:08:49
TRACK 25 AUDIO
TITLE "TALK 3 - Ralph Stuffs His Shoes - Story About Junior Mintz Boogie"
INDEX 01 70:46:71
TRACK 26 AUDIO
TITLE "Junior Mintz Boogie"
INDEX 01 90:14:01
TRACK 27 AUDIO
TITLE "Bognor Regis?…"
INDEX 01 93:09:08
TRACK 28 AUDIO
TITLE "What Will This Evening Bring Me This Morning?"
INDEX 01 97:49:05
TRACK 29 AUDIO
TITLE "TALK 4"
INDEX 01 101:03:01
TRACK 30 AUDIO
TITLE "Tears Begin To Fall -Junior Mintz B-Side-"
INDEX 01 105:10:64
TRACK 31 AUDIO
TITLE "Jelly-Roll Gum Drop"
INDEX 01 107:57:65
TRACK 32 AUDIO
TITLE "You Didn't Try To Call Me"
INDEX 01 113:09:50
TRACK 33 AUDIO
TITLE "Anyway The Wind Blows"
INDEX 01 113:17:00
TRACK 34 AUDIO
TITLE "Dog Breath Variations -Uncle Meat-Vinyl Version?-"
INDEX 01 117:07:33
TRACK 35 AUDIO
TITLE "TALK 5"
INDEX 01 119:52:46
TRACK 36 AUDIO
TITLE "Cruising For Burgers -76 In New York-"
INDEX 01 132:27:40
TRACK 37 AUDIO
TITLE "FZ Interview 2"
INDEX 01 141:25:01
TRACK 38 AUDIO
TITLE "Cruising For Burgers -71-"
INDEX 01 142:00:45
TRACK 39 AUDIO
TITLE "Cruising For Burgers -Uncle Meat-"
INDEX 01 144:53:49
TRACK 40 AUDIO
TITLE "TALK 6 - End of first part -"
INDEX 01 147:09:24
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The White Zone / Uncle Beat / Re:Zappathon 2004 at WUSB
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on: September 01, 2004, 03:55:37 PM
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Hi there Guys (and Galls),
Holidays are over, back to work: How to cut Zappathon 2004 - part 1:
Copy and paste the text at the end of this posting into a text file and save it as "Zappathon 2004 part 1.cue" (exactly the letters between brackets).
Go on the internet and find a MP3 cutter, I personally use a program called Musicutter 0.7.1. You can find it at http://musicutter.szm.sk/. The download contains the program and a good help file. It does not add the MP3 tags.
The basics are:
- in the software, select the Zappathon 2004 (pt.1).mp3 file (or whatever you renamed it to)
- select a destination
- use the import from file button to import the cue file saved previously
- press the 'cut now!' button and after a couple of minutes you have a nice selction of split files.
A huge bravo for Balint on his effort disecting the first part, without this info, I wouldn't have been able to create this cue sheet (thanks Balint ).
Just one remark: This a quick and dirty first effort. I quickly checked the result, the cut is not perfect, for some 'songs' the cut is halve a second too early. The only way this can be solved is by finetuning the Balint list with tenths of seconds.
Give it a go and please post you comments, questions, suggestions or corrections.
---- Copy after this ----
TITLE "Zappathon 2004 part 1"
PERFORMER "Frank Zappa"
REM ** Generated by Bobo**
REM Time :
REM Length:
REM DiscID:
FILE "Frank Zappa - Zappathon 2004 part 1.mp3" MP3
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "Something Bob Dylan"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "The Central Strutinizer"
INDEX 01 02:36:00
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "Who Was Frank Zappa?"
INDEX 01 06:10:00
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "The Way I See It Barry… - You're Probably Wondering Why I'm Here"
INDEX 01 17:43:00
TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "Aerobics In Bondage"
INDEX 01 21:24:00
TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE "Stick It Out"
INDEX 01 24:24:00
TRACK 07 AUDIO
TITLE "Let's Make The Water Turn Black '88"
INDEX 01 26:09:00
TRACK 08 AUDIO
TITLE "Oh No '88"
INDEX 01 29:08:00
TRACK 09 AUDIO
TITLE "Tell Me You Love Me (Tinseltown"
INDEX 01 30:22:00
TRACK 10 AUDIO
TITLE "Dirty Love (YCDTOSA Vol 6)"
INDEX 01 32:31:00
TRACK 11 AUDIO
TITLE "Magic Fingers (YCDTOSA Vol 6)"
INDEX 01 35:12:00
TRACK 12 AUDIO
TITLE "Debra Kadabra"
INDEX 01 37:30:00
TRACK 13 AUDIO
TITLE "I Can't Stand It '71"
INDEX 01 41:24:00
TRACK 14 AUDIO
TITLE "The Young Sophisticate (Tinseltown)"
INDEX 01 42:05:00
TRACK 15 AUDIO
TITLE "Jones Crushier (Baby Snakes)"
INDEX 01 44:42:00
TRACK 16 AUDIO
TITLE "Teenage Prostitute"
INDEX 01 47:40:00
TRACK 17 AUDIO
TITLE "Cheepnis"
INDEX 01 49:57:00
TRACK 18 AUDIO
TITLE "What Ever Happened To All The Fun In The World?"
INDEX 01 54:18:00
TRACK 19 AUDIO
TITLE "Tink Walks Amok"
INDEX 01 54:51:00
TRACK 20 AUDIO
TITLE "(Approximate) - Talk"
INDEX 01 58:32:00
TRACK 21 AUDIO
TITLE "St Alphonso's Pancake Breakfast"
INDEX 01 63:00:00
TRACK 22 AUDIO
TITLE "FZ-Interview"
INDEX 01 67:37:00
TRACK 23 AUDIO
TITLE "Can't Afford No Shoes"
INDEX 01 68:10:00
TRACK 24 AUDIO
TITLE "Talk - Ralph Stuffs His Shoes - Story; About Junior Mintz Boogie"
INDEX 01 70:42:00
TRACK 25 AUDIO
TITLE "Junior Mintz Boogie"
INDEX 01 90:16:00
TRACK 26 AUDIO
TITLE "Bognor Regis?…"
INDEX 01 93:10:00
TRACK 27 AUDIO
TITLE "What Will This Evening Bring Me This Morning?"
INDEX 01 97:50:00
TRACK 28 AUDIO
TITLE "Talk"
INDEX 01 101:04:00
TRACK 29 AUDIO
TITLE "Tears Begin To Fall (Junior Mintz B-Side)"
INDEX 01 105:11:00
TRACK 30 AUDIO
TITLE "Jelly-Roll Gum Drop"
INDEX 01 107:57:00
TRACK 31 AUDIO
TITLE "Anyway The Wind Blows"
INDEX 01 110:21:00
TRACK 32 AUDIO
TITLE "You Didn't Try To Call Me"
INDEX 01 113:10:00
TRACK 33 AUDIO
TITLE "Dog Breath Variations (Uncle Meat - Vinyl Version?)"
INDEX 01 117:10:00
TRACK 34 AUDIO
TITLE "Talk"
INDEX 01 119:53:00
TRACK 35 AUDIO
TITLE "Cruising For Burgers ('76, In New York)"
INDEX 01 132:28:00
TRACK 36 AUDIO
TITLE "FZ Interview"
INDEX 01 142:53:00
TRACK 37 AUDIO
TITLE "Cruising For Burgers ('71)"
INDEX 01 143:29:00
TRACK 38 AUDIO
TITLE "Cruising For Burgers (Uncle Meat)"
INDEX 01 146:20:00
TRACK 39 AUDIO
TITLE "Talk (end of first part)"
INDEX 01 148:40:00 |
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Frank Zappa / Strictly Critique / Re:new zappa album: joe's corsage
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on: July 12, 2004, 03:31:58 PM
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Looking at the picture of FZ on this cover...I wonder, is this a real picture of Frank or a composite. Frank had long hair until approx. '81 turning to a grey moustache arround '85. The moustache and goatee have a rather wild look, in pictures of the same period, both always carefully trimmed. Especially the goatee is positioned too low and looks to be stuck on.
Clues anybody to the origin of this photo? |
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The White Zone / Uncle Beat / Re:Zappathon 2004 at WUSB
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on: July 12, 2004, 11:02:25 AM
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Its my fault - of course its here, but I have soooooo much problems nowadays...
Understand that most problems are a good sign. Problems indicate that progress is being made, wheels are turning, you are moving toward your goals. Beware when you have no problems. Then you've really got a problem... Problems are like landmarks of progress.
- Scott Alexander
We are all faced with a series of great opportunities brilliantly disguised as unsolvable problems.
- John W Gardner
Keep your spirits high, Balint
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