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Frank Zappa / The Blue Light / Re:some questions on FZ's lyrics
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on: January 23, 2006, 04:12:33 PM
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Hi everybody, in the English speaking world! I need some help - I've translated a text - from the latest download, El Paso, Texas. The track in question is this: Story of Dupree's ParadiseI think I understand it, but I just dont get the LAST word... Can you please help me? You can download the track from the link above. THANK YOU!!!! |
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Frank Zappa / Zappa Wiki Jawaka / Re:It was fun for as long as it lasted
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on: April 29, 2005, 01:28:04 PM
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… your enthousiastic approach does scare people willing to contribute… I don’t get it, Bobo, this really doesn’t make sense to me, at all. I would imagine that being enthusiast would inspire and encourage people to contribute, not scare them away.
Just to make things clear, I was not criticizing you or trying to push Barry's comment, I was just expressing a feeling.
To be honest, as things were progressing and turning into the start of this "It was fun for as long as it lasted" post, I got the feeling of: "why don't I wait until things cool down before I try something". That how I felt then and that how I feel now. Just my two cents... |
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Frank Zappa / Zappa Wiki Jawaka / Re:It was fun for as long as it lasted
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on: April 24, 2005, 04:42:15 PM
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When I look at the number of people who actually voted on this (and Barry probably voted 3 times  ), I must conclude that we’re not in this for the anonymous visitor, we’re not in this for the FZ fan, … apparently we’re only in for ourselves… ... you're pushing this thing to realms of meta-talk that are way beyond the fringe of a Zappa wiki...
And in doing so, I might add, I think we're losing potential contributors. You scare the hell out of anyone wanting to contribute...
The way I see it, Barry, these are SERIOUS ACCUSATIONS… So, this is the deal we’re dealing: as long as THE OTHER PEOPLE can’t convince me that you’re seriously exaggerating, I will STOP CONTRIBUTING to the Wiki Jawaka. It was fun for as long as it lasted. I wish you all THE BEST in pursuing the creation of the ultimate FZ website.
I'm sure you you're a very dedicated and enthousiastic FZ fan with huge a drive to make a positive contribution to the FZ community. But I'm afraid Barry could be right, your enthousiastic approach does scare people willing to contribute. I was thinking about contributing but all the Wiki posts going from one end to the other just made it impossible to fully grasp what was going on. So I decide to wait until a more definitive Wiki structure would emerge.
But to be honest, these last posts give me a kinda deja vu feeling, I've seen posts with the same look and feel before from Isaac (no offence). Isaac is an old acquaintance of KUR. I guess that, just like you, Isaac is very knowledgable on Zappa but he is less a team player. When things were not going his way, he started reacting in a similar manner as you did: he started ridiculing Barry and posting treathlike messages. Why are people reacting like this, surely, those who do not agree on how people are trying to run things can try do make a better effort of their own on the web.
As for the Wiki initiative, this should be the effort of a team, working as a team discussing things by talking and listening to each other. In this kind of group efforts it is also very important not to press things and to stay focussed on what needs to be done. In this way everybody can keep up on how things are running.
If not, the group effort turns into anarchy and expect for some good music in the eighties, not many creative things have come out of anarchy.
So why should you stop contributing to the Wiki? I'm sure some sort of agreement/arrangement can be made that makes everybody happy and allows all willing to contribute to do so. |
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Frank Zappa / Zappa Wiki Jawaka / Re:the ultimate fz site
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on: April 20, 2005, 12:20:27 PM
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With hindsight, my mistake too.
I've been watching the Wiki development for some time now and your post suggested to me that the Wiki was to be the only right place to publish Zappa facts on the web and that starting up a new site on Zappa, like Oscar is doing, was a kind of a futile thing to do.
And I kinda sympathised with Oscar and used the wrong way to express my concerns of the Wiki turning into a all consuming Godzilla site on Zappa.
If I offended you, please accept my appologies.
Bobo |
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Frank Zappa / Zappa Wiki Jawaka / Re:the ultimate fz site
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on: April 19, 2005, 03:59:17 PM
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as the wiki's goal is no less than to become the ultimate zappa site, maybe someone should try to convince Oscar to go wiki...
There's a word in Unimuta's post that I personally do not like: convince.
Sure, if the Wiki is to become the ultimate Zappa location, as many contributers as possible should 'feed the Wiki'. But convincing people to 'do the Wiki' instead of maintaining their own small effort on the Web is just like Microsoft has been doing bussiness for the last 20 odd years: elliminating most of their creative competitors by either a buy-out or bully tactics.
For all we know, this could be Oscars first attempt to put something about Zappa onto the net (who didn't try to do this?) and he's really proud about succeeding to do so (I was).
I think you can ask people to join the Wiki initiative and they can accept or refuse. Convincing people to go Wiki is a bit excessive (and a bit too much the MS way) in my opinion.
Any other views on this? |
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Frank Zappa / Zappa Wiki Jawaka / Re:Frank Zappa - The Wiki
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on: March 28, 2005, 02:22:31 PM
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Your question is basically: why create our own content when we can link to other sites. Well what if that other site disappears off the airwaves (for whatever reason), or becomes outdated? Also: the advantage of the wiki-format is that it allows for a democratic editing process whereby anyone can join in. This means no need for one SuperAdmin that has to coordinate/update/edit/add everything (look at Zappa Patio, Arf.ru - they do it this way; look at Nieve's old site, Corneliussen's old site: they USED to do it like that and have basically moved on to other things since then - see what I mean?). It's really about community-efforts versus LoneWebmaster-efforts... Hope that answers your questions 
See if I get this right: it is OK to copy info from other peoples website into the Wiki (the source will be named of course) in order to
a) provide a better format (the wiki format)
b) a more secure source of info (when other sites go down because of whatever reason)
c) update info (some Zappa pages haven't been updated for ages, working the wiki way (hmm this sounds like the snack 'milky way' ) will allow people to add and update info that's dormant on other sites)
So for example, I could add an updated gig list, based on John Naurin's page?
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Frank Zappa / Strictly Critique / Re:How to manage a boot collection
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on: March 07, 2005, 12:04:46 PM
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Jon's FZShows is THE reference list used by people that trade zappa concert recordings. (a bootleg is something else. check the Zappa Patio)
You should take note, however, that the txt-version of the FZShows is not up-to-date. Use the html version that Jon offers.
And now the reason why I'm writing this: what do you mean when you say that you have a lot of shows that are not listed in FZShows? Please elaborate.
UniMuta
Ahh, you just explained the reason why I had some shows that are not in the Naurin list, that is the text version, I failed to check the HTML version. Thanks for making this clear.
I'll check the lot and be sure that any show not in the list will be made available through the proper channels  |
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Frank Zappa / Strictly Critique / Re:Favourite Zappa
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on: March 05, 2005, 01:00:00 PM
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Favourit songs: Peaches En Regalia and Inca Roads
Favourit albums: YCDTOSA series, because it is a nice selection of Zappa across time and are a good way to introduce Zappa to newbies (yes, they still exist!) |
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Frank Zappa / Strictly Critique / Re:How to manage a boot collection
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on: March 05, 2005, 12:53:23 PM
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Barry, the php script base thing looks fine. My intrest in managing boots is focussed onto the shows and the songs related to it. I also collect 'real' boots (see Zappa Patio) but they are not my prime focus. I don't care much for all the extra info like format, filesize, duration of a song,... I'm using Mediamonkey http://www.mediamonkey.com/ for that.
And for all the extra's, it seems that everything a Zappa booter can wish for has already been mentioned in previous posts. Still there is one option that I deem necessary: the abillity to update the master boot list in an easy way.
By the way, slime: what textfile are you using that supposedly has *all* available boots? I mean what's it based off of? Ullrich's work? Zappa Patio? Or maybe http://zappagigs.sytes.net ? The proverbial logistic bitch* here is that I'd like to base it off of the most complete boot-list as is humanly possible...
I also have the idea that there is no 'ultimate boot list' at this moment. Personally I use the FZ shows list http://home.swipnet.se/fzshows/ to which I had to a lot of shows not listed. The lists available vary in completeness and sometimes show contradictory information. So Barry, there's a lot of work ahead if you really want to start off with the most complete list humanly possible. Maybe this could be a task worthy to members of this esteemed KUR forum?
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Frank Zappa / Strictly Critique / How to manage a boot collection
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on: February 27, 2005, 01:31:18 PM
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I still manage my Zappa boot/gig collection the old fashion way: every new show I 'find' is marked on a printed list. Simple and easy, but from time to time I need to add missing shows to my list, turnng it into a mess.
I just wonder how all you Zappa afficionados are managing your Zappa collection: on paper, perhaps a Filemaker/Access database or are you using specific software?
Feedback is much appreciated. Currently my list is too messy so I need to do a mayor update. I can stick with my paper based management but maybe there is a better way with good software. And who better to ask this question than you boys and girls... |
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The White Zone / The Phoebe Snow Chill Out Room / Re:Friday is "Use the zappa.com Forum Day"
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on: December 16, 2004, 08:12:37 AM
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Now now children !, let's not get into mud-slinging here, it'll only end in tears (and numerous other hackneyed cliches). Just live and let live - they're happy; we're happy, let him who is without sin cast the first stone, it's easier for an asshole to post on zappa.com forums than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven (oops ! where did that come from ?).
I've seen the "free download" links on the Zappa.com forum. Sure everybody is free to post whatever they like, but would you advocate a download link for 'free' Microsoft programs on a Microsoft forum? The situation is only problematic if the posts are made deliberately with the intent to 'harm' Barry (like ol' Isaac The Bloated used to do).
If I remember correctly from my HTML days, it should be possible to use the Referring URL to prevent downloads from links not on the original site, so if somebody posted a KUR link on the internet, the link would not work because it does not originate from the KUR website. But I'm sure Barry is for more knowledgeable on this and if my memory serves me well he actually did use this trick to prevent the mass download initiated by Isaac's hatred posts on numerous forums, early 2004. Barry? 
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