Outside Now
Depending on how well you know me, it may or may not come as a surprise to you dear reader, that this is where Kill Ugly Radio ends.
There are quite a few reasons why I decided today was a good time to put this old and rusty site to rest, but I won’t go into that. Instead, allow me to say it has been an honor and a pleasure to host KUR during the past 11 years. I’ve learned so much from your comments and emails, laughed my ass off at some of them, and believe me when I say that without KUR, I would have never met some of the brightest people within the Zappa community. I’m proud to say some of them remain close friends to this day.
I hope KUR has been a source of fun, discovery and inspiration over the years. Perhaps it gave you a chuckle, or perhaps you became acquainted with music you’d not heard before, perhaps you engaged in, or read some really erudite discussion on a variety of topics. A huge thank you goes out to fellow contributors Balint, Urbangraffito, Dr Sharleena, SOFA, Magicfingers and Alex — and to you silly people for having been with us all these years.
If you’re reading this, pride yourself in knowing you were once part of…
It’s been a pleasure talking to you — and don’t forget to register to vote.
May 3rd, 2011 at 8:14 pm »
Total and utter bastard!!! Enjoy yer ‘retirement’ oh mighty one.
May 3rd, 2011 at 8:24 pm »
Oh the bittersweet feelings! Best of luck and have a wonderful future, knowing that your bloggin’ endeavours will be missed, and never forgotten!
Funny to think that when i started reading this blog i was but a befuddled art student, but today as an independent label guy pushing new and exciting music around my job is precisely that: to kill ugly radio.
Thanks for showing us the way
May 3rd, 2011 at 8:47 pm »
Well, shit.
Years ago, I fell in love with the folks at The Big Note, which of course led me here.
The Big Note got crunched in the ZFT’s Big Squat, and I found little time for posting anywhere.
Now, I’m finally in a position to toss out the occasional piece of mental detritus here, and it’s defunkt.
Best to all of ye. It’s been quite fun being around y’all.
May 3rd, 2011 at 9:00 pm »
Alas, all good things come to an end.
I click my snazzy KUR favicon every morning before starting the daily grind. I will still click it hoping one day a glimmer of light will flicker from a new post. I have thoroughly enjoyed all the commentary, insights, and music. I wish I could have contributed more – so here’s a hearty Thank You! to Barry and Sharleena, Balint, Magic Fingers, UG, SOFA, Alex, etc. who created so much content over the years.
I know how much work a blog can be (having recently started one myself) and I appreciate that you have all been so dedicated for so long.
I am delighted that Nappy’s “What Frank Heard” made the cut before the blog went dark!
Again, thanks to all the writers and all the readers who made this blog so fun to a part of. Don’t feed the trolls and watch out where the Huskies go!
- Jake St. Vitus
May 3rd, 2011 at 9:00 pm »
I think the honour and pleasure has been all ours. Finding somewhere so vibrant, alert and yet (for the very most part) polite and interested, has been a joy, a little oasis of Frank in the internet.
Barry’s done a great job, and I, for one, am pleased to have been a tiny contributor in dark corners of this place.
On to green pastures, I hope.
Ashley
May 3rd, 2011 at 9:14 pm »
I am saddened by your departure. KUR has been my Zappa refuge for many years, though I never posted until recently (I hope it’s not because of people like me that you’ve opted out).
I miss Frank so much, apart from the music — which is absolutely indispensable — as a human on earth and an American especially, I miss his clarion call to reveal the absurdity of it all, and here, at KUR, I found like-minded, engaged spirits. Thank you for bringing us together!
To the future, may it be better than the past.
May 3rd, 2011 at 9:25 pm »
It’s a sad day for me. Thanks for all the pleasure you’ve given me, for providing access to information I would have found hard to get otherwise, and for the times my thought processes have been provoked by the posts and the comments. That’s a big debt of gratitude I owe to Barry and Sharlena for running this and to all the other contributors. This will mean a small but noticeable change to the daily routines of many of us who visited regularly. I wish all of you well in the future. Music is the best.
Al Stone
May 3rd, 2011 at 9:26 pm »
Thanks for everything.
I finally discovered Zappa a couple of years ago, and this is one of the places I continually learned from as I explored his oeuvre.
May 3rd, 2011 at 9:45 pm »
INSIDE NOW… was this Phase One of….?
Well, now I’ll have to find out another reason to fly to Belgium to have fun.
KÖSZÖNÖK MINDENT!
May 3rd, 2011 at 10:23 pm »
“Well, now I’ll have to find out another reason to fly to Belgium to have fun.”
Ah, how young and crazy we were…..
May 3rd, 2011 at 10:36 pm »
Bollox. I’ll miss popping into this place. Thanks for the enjoyment.
May 3rd, 2011 at 10:53 pm »
I am saddened by this development, and would like to thank all parties who made this place so interesting.
May 3rd, 2011 at 11:22 pm »
I will miss this blog too.. thanks for all the work on it. Hopefully it will remain online for some time, so I can catch up on older stuff…
May 3rd, 2011 at 11:34 pm »
Damn…but thanks for the memories & I wish you well!
May 3rd, 2011 at 11:49 pm »
Aw shit! I remember the heady days of “The Way I see It” – bringing Frank back from the grave, uploading hours of concerts… TBN, TWISI, & KUR have been my Net life for so long, it’s really kinda painful to think of it ending!
But there’s one thing I do know: the friendships that have developed here (and there) over the years will not end, nor be forgotten. I think a more apt title here would be: “The Best Friends You’ve Never Met in Your Life”!
I love you guys (Hola Lucas!) and I know that we will stay in touch. Now excuse me please while I go have a little sob in the other room…
May 4th, 2011 at 12:39 am »
Aw, nuts. I love this blog. Thanks for all your efforts over the years.
Don’t throw stuff on the stage. Good night.
May 4th, 2011 at 1:09 am »
Bon Temps.
May 4th, 2011 at 1:20 am »
Damn, I will miss this site…. interesting and thoughtful stuff in relation to Zappa and other stuff. Something special in the realm of the internet.
Thanks for the efforts over the years to keep this running.
May 4th, 2011 at 2:15 am »
Bob Again asked me to say,
“thanks for the memories…”
May 4th, 2011 at 2:18 am »
…and thank you for the avatar – I never had one ’til now.
May 4th, 2011 at 2:26 am »
It was fun while it lasted. I wished I had discovered it earlier.
Thanks to all who contributed.
D
May 4th, 2011 at 2:39 am »
A very sad day. Strangely, one of the most memorable things I ever saw on this site was Barry’s picture of Argentine steak. Thanks for the beef, and for the “Boot of the Week”s’. Live long and prosper, Space Wanderer.
May 4th, 2011 at 2:51 am »
Reading above I see SOFA. I downloaded my first Zappa boots at TBN. Salutations and an “unbalanced Chinese 7th chord”! Long live ROCK! Long live Zappa music!
May 4th, 2011 at 3:11 am »
Barry, it’s been a really dynamite run (11 years) and the short few years that you’ve allowed me the opportunity here at Kill Ugly Radio to write and post and pontificate my often obtuse views has been an absolute BLAST! To those I’ve offended, I’m sorry I couldn’t have offended you more than I did, and to those I might have somewhat entertained, I highly recommend you get your daily Zappa fix from Balint’s fantastic site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szUZKDjXKtk
May 4th, 2011 at 9:01 am »
Very surprising and sort of sad – I came in late, but learnt a lot about Zappa during these llast few years. Thanks Barry, thanks UG – I enjoyed your mixes so much, and learnt so much about Zappa the live artist – thanks Balint, keep on truckin’ in Hungarian!
PS. Can we still post reviews? If not, I think my final stupidity about Apostrophe (‘) is sort of appropriate as a finishing note. – But I do have some more reviews up my sleeve, and I’m sure others have too…
Ah well, thank you all!
May 4th, 2011 at 11:15 am »
NOTHING lasts forever but, if you’re lucky, you go before your favorite things. now i feel all alone on this stupid internet. sorry & thanks.
May 4th, 2011 at 11:55 am »
I simply say to you: thank you, thank you and THANK YOU. KUR was one of my Orchestral Favorites, and still is.
Thanks to all the contributors and make the best of what’s next.
May 4th, 2011 at 12:42 pm »
I am saddened too, but, having myself run a blog in the past, I totally understand. It’s a lot of work, and is relentlessly demanding.
This was the best of the Zappa sites, IMO. KUR was always interesting, informative, and funny – not unlike the work of the artist that brought us all here. Thanks to Barry and Sharleena and all the other contributors, both posters and commenters for a great ride.
thanks to all
May 4th, 2011 at 1:17 pm »
Appreciate all the effort and here’s to fine days ahead.
May 4th, 2011 at 2:30 pm »
Thanks for giving this blog the opportunity to exist. I feel that most things “Zappa” came to a halt lately. The eons are closing in.
Thinman
May 4th, 2011 at 4:04 pm »
I think I’ve read this blog every day for 8 or 9 years.
I’m sure going to miss you all. The reviews of this site have been a wonderful help in deciding which ZFT releases to buy & I’ve come across well put opinions I didn’t share but that made my brain a lot more open.
Wish you all the best of the best. Now I’ll put on Strictly Genteel from Make A Jazz Noise Here, because I still feel it’s the best last song recorded.
Love,
Jeroen
May 4th, 2011 at 4:04 pm »
Does this mean ugly radio is dead?
May 4th, 2011 at 4:49 pm »
“Where did they go?
When did they come from?
What has become of them now?”
Sad that you’re calling it a day but many thanks for all the hard work down the years, despite the efforts of some darker forces lurking in the Zappa Universe…
May 4th, 2011 at 5:48 pm »
Aaaaarrgh, that hurts.
I’m crying.
May 4th, 2011 at 6:06 pm »
Just to be clear: the blog/discog/wiki will not be taken offline. Both the FZ-discog and the wiki will remain fully functional (meaning you will still be able to post reviews, or add stuff to the wiki). The blog-archives will remain online as well — that’s a backlog of 11 years, so have fun perusing those… Oh, and for you Twitter-people, I’m still active there; look for @killuglyradio and say hi!
Thanks for all the comments guys, it warms my heart.
May 4th, 2011 at 6:27 pm »
gutted man. thanks for time and effort.
May 4th, 2011 at 6:37 pm »
Oh no I can’t believe it !
May 4th, 2011 at 7:20 pm »
A quote from Thinman:
Or perhaps we’re just at the end of a turning of the wheel, right before the next round starts.
Thanks again, Barry.
May 4th, 2011 at 8:02 pm »
Mind you, this was the only RSS feed I have on my phone.
Boohoohoo…
May 4th, 2011 at 8:14 pm »
It’s better to have something to remember, than nothing to regret.
FZ
May 4th, 2011 at 9:06 pm »
so deeply sad about the news..
enjoy your retirement and don’t forget you’ve been a guiding light for so many years.
cheers!
May 4th, 2011 at 9:56 pm »
And damn i am gonna miss those wonderful playlists, the links, the bitter, the better, the butter, the cream of the crop of Zappas popshop, or was it poop chute, anyway, the torchum is passed, much obliged!
May 5th, 2011 at 5:22 am »
KUR was/is a legitimate refuge. Thank you so much for all the time and love and hard work you put into it. It was not in vain.
May 5th, 2011 at 8:10 am »
Barry (Jurgen) thank you for creating this wonderful place. I love coming here and hangin’. It’s always very comfy and lots of cool, smart folk to chat with. As SOFA said, ” Some of the best friends you’ll never meet”.
I happened upon this site while seaching for info on our beloved Zappa. That was six years ago. And I think I stopped by almost every day. Like a good pub, you can’t walk by without peeking in to see what’s going on.
Thank you Barry, Sharleena, Urbangraffito, Balint, SOFA, Magicfingers and Alex for making this the best stop on the www.
Thank you to all the KUR fans who made this a great hang-out.
Favorite KUR moment: Watching Barry and Sharl’s baby son (on video) help pick the winners for that contest. Priceless.
p.s. Nice job on the “Best Blog You Never Heard Of” piece Barry and Sharl!
May 5th, 2011 at 9:37 am »
You shouldn’t do that!
You’d better find someone to continue this work; it’s what I’ve decided with the forum I created en manage day to day; the information is lost when nothing happens on a website, buried under search engines politics of always putting in 1st position the active ones.
Please name some co admins that will continue to make this blog a source of news about anti mainstream music.
May 5th, 2011 at 9:45 am »
I will miss this site and all the contributors on it from around the world!
May 5th, 2011 at 10:04 am »
So sad, it’s like a part of me is going too, I started reading KUR when I was 21… and since then I never lost reading a post… anyway, it’s been a great time, thanks everyone!
May 5th, 2011 at 10:43 am »
Thanks for a great ride – Cheers. Hope to see something from you again someday.
May 5th, 2011 at 11:25 am »
thx for all the years i enjoyed reading this blog
C U in a next life
May 5th, 2011 at 12:57 pm »
Does this now mean we have to go to zappa.com to discuss FZ-related materials?
May 5th, 2011 at 1:08 pm »
thanx big time!!!!
you and kur will be greatly missed!
May 5th, 2011 at 1:27 pm »
A quote from Harry Barris:
Of course not, Harry Barris! There’s Andrew Greenaway’s Idiot Bastard Son to take up the slack, not to mention Balint’s Hungarian Frank Zappa Association:
http://www.idiotbastard.com/news.htm
http://www.zappa.hu/?q=en
May 5th, 2011 at 2:53 pm »
A quote from urbangraffito:
May 5th, 2011 at 3:03 pm »
Zut Alors! Thank you KUR. Hope to met you again somewhere else.
May 5th, 2011 at 7:28 pm »
Really sad to hear that you’re closing the doors on KUR. Thank You for all the amazing work and interesting chat that goes on here. It’s been a pleasure!!
Wishing you all the best!
May 5th, 2011 at 7:40 pm »
I was a BIG zappa fan in the early 70′s trailed off by the early 80′s didn’t even know he had died till the ’00s. a friend told me about this neat site where you could download bootleg concert mp3′s. you rekindled my love of franks music. now my friends, wife and children hate me… =8^))
thanks for all the hard work. I wouldn’t know about the cover band scene. I have seen Ed Palermo and Proj Obj live, wish I could see fattore zeta. I only hope I can find a site with info like yours…
oh by the way, another type of cover band:
The Mahavishnu Project at World Cafe Live!
Wednesday May 11 at 8pm…
May 5th, 2011 at 7:56 pm »
Once again, tanks !!!
May 5th, 2011 at 10:20 pm »
take care thank you all the best ……………………….
we need a new zappa blog !
May 5th, 2011 at 11:37 pm »
Sorry, I did not know of the coup d’état that occurred at your old site, Balint. Your recent queries now make a lot more sense it that light. I’m glad that they haven’t run you off the range, cowboy, and that you are still blogging.
Myself, I’m pondering starting up a blog of my own – a mixture of transgressive lit (featuring new and established writers), new music, old music, live music, downloadable music, lit, zines and other various obnoxious meanderings in keeping with my obtuse personality – under the title: Urban Graffiti – the blog.
It won’t be KUR by a long shot – nothing, absolutely nothing could replace this weblog. Yet if you share the D.I.Y. philosophy that I do – which I’m pretty damn sure of – the spirit of KUR will live on in every other blog Kill Ugly Radio inspires…
May 6th, 2011 at 2:42 am »
Wow…that is bummer news… this was indeed the best blog, Zappa content, great threads and the audio & video links , I think, put it over the top. Sad to see you go….Viva Zappa and thanks for all the support as well.
May 6th, 2011 at 3:11 am »
As for me, well I can barely type, so I can’t start one, but i’d love to find another site that’s on Barry’s same wave length (or at least somewhere close). So if y’all start something new, please let us know. Meanwhile, I’m going to plant a watermelon in my Easter hay…
May 6th, 2011 at 3:45 am »
The Torture never stops!
Never commented but enjoyed stopping by the blog through out the years.
Adios Amigo
Shortbus
St. Louis, Missouri
United States of America
May 6th, 2011 at 5:17 am »
A quote from urbangraffito:
“If you build it, they (& me) will come.”
May 6th, 2011 at 7:08 am »
i’m going to miss this, fer sure fer sure… it always felt like home in here. thank you kind barry, ciao!
May 6th, 2011 at 10:39 am »
It seems that the only purpose of this blog was to hunt down Osama Bin Laden. No, seriously… it will be missed. Thank you for the great blogging, folks!
May 7th, 2011 at 12:44 am »
Thanks for all of the information, entertainment and good reading over the years, Barry. And lets not forget those Friday Night Boots! Now THOSE Were The Days! Hotcha! It’s been a real pleasure and I will miss you. “So long, Francis . . .”
May 7th, 2011 at 9:17 am »
Thanks for all your efforts and providing this forum for Zappa fans everywhere!
May 7th, 2011 at 5:35 pm »
11 ans déjà
un grand merci à KUR et à tous
Pas un jour sans Frank Zappa depuis 39 ans maintenant
Music of FZ is the best
May 7th, 2011 at 6:15 pm »
Thanks for this blog! I’ve been a “lurker” for a long long time and enjoyed this site immensely.
Music AND KILLUGLYRADIO.COM were indeed THE BEST.
Cheers.
May 7th, 2011 at 7:04 pm »
Thank you for many hours of reading and listening pleasure.
All the best to you
May 8th, 2011 at 2:36 am »
Thank you for KUR.
It’s been a pleasure and an education, and it will be missed.
Best wishes.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:56 pm »
ce blog va me manquer……… mille merci
May 9th, 2011 at 11:41 am »
Thanks for everything.
It was great fun.
May 9th, 2011 at 8:54 pm »
Merci !
May 10th, 2011 at 5:34 am »
Ce fut un réel plaisir de vous lire toutes ces années mon ami, les actions en justice de GZ et l’hébergement du Friday Gilles Boot restent gravés à jamais dans ma mémoire…. so long. ZAPPA’s MUSIC IS THE BEST !!!
le ZIF crew
May 10th, 2011 at 9:41 am »
A quote from Zappa In France:
Zappa en France est un site fantastique. Je le recommande fortement !
May 10th, 2011 at 3:32 pm »
Thanks for everything. Enjoy the sunshine.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:15 pm »
what? you can´t do that!
May 10th, 2011 at 10:32 pm »
Always nicely displayed, never even a little bit cheesy. Cheers!
May 10th, 2011 at 11:01 pm »
Bittersweet, to be sure – my thesis gets bound tomorrow.
Having Mike Nesmith’s “Cantata & Fugue in C&W” on isn’t helping to make this moment any less sentimental.
May 10th, 2011 at 11:40 pm »
A quote from Alex:
Ist das nicht unheimlich?
May 11th, 2011 at 1:05 am »
How could they do this to me, this was my favorite website. WE WANT KILL UGLY RADIO BACK!
May 11th, 2011 at 2:10 pm »
Aside from the blog I really enjoyed and looked forward to the mix tapes. Where will I ever find stuff like this again?
Oh well, thanks for the fun though.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:29 pm »
And of course that’s when the ZFT decides to announce a new release…
May 11th, 2011 at 5:57 pm »
A quote from mutant:
There really was never much of a secret to the mixtapes I put together for KUR, mutant. All the tracks in my mixtapes are available online via Zappateers as well as countless blogs. Any freak like myself can download them. As Warren Zevon said once, “The value is to the collector.” I’m glad you enjoyed mine, mutant!
By the way, as parting gift to my fellow KUR-Meisters, here’s a link to one of my favourite music sites:
http://tela.sugarmegs.org/
MUSIC IS THE BEST!
May 11th, 2011 at 6:12 pm »
A quote from Barry’s Imaginary Publisher:
Ah, Barry, Gail and gang are at it again. Piecemeal releases at outrageous prices. I suggest Zappa fans beg, borrow, and disseminate these track but, by the sweaty panty hose of Suzy Creamcheese, don’t pay them for it!
May 11th, 2011 at 9:59 pm »
A quote from jonnybutter2:
Extra special thanks to UG for putting those suckers together. Glad the tracks are readily available around the interwebs, but was very glad to have them so expertly assembled and handy here on KUR. sniff
May 12th, 2011 at 12:10 am »
Ist das nicht unheimlich…
A quote from Barry’s Imaginary Publisher:
Bob Again has finally convinced me – the vault is a myth. Bob himself was at that show and deserves much better. AMF.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:19 am »
osama bin laden song day o
May 12th, 2011 at 7:55 am »
A quote from jonnybutter2:
Thanks, jb2! Those mixtapes were a lot of fun to assemble and a real labour of love, too!
A quote from Hugh:
The period of pondering was short, indeed, Hugh.
Urban Graffiti – the blog, began today with it’s inaugural post, “Beer Mystic: a novel of inebriation & light by bart plantenga”. With this post UG the blog is participating in bart plantenga’s worldwide online pub crawl in which 44 different websites are publishing bart’s novel in its entirety online.
This would have been a post here at KUR (as I know many of you are fans of bart plantenga and the Unbearables).
Here is the link to Urban Graffiti – the blog:
http://gse-urbangraffiti.blogspot.com/2011/05/beer-mystic-novel-of-inebriation-light.html
May 12th, 2011 at 8:48 am »
Hey Barry, please don’t mind if I take a look around the site before I open the door to Urban’s world. KUR was the first blog to inspire me to speak out (sorry to lay the blame on you). I want to take a moment before I move on . . .
alright, I’m going in!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:47 pm »
I was only in it for the music and for the humour.
“The present-day composer refuses to die!”
Edgar Varese, Juli 1921
Good Night ! Wherever you are !
May 12th, 2011 at 10:53 pm »
There are more love songs than anything else. If songs could make you do something we’d all love one another.
Frank Zappa
May 14th, 2011 at 1:09 am »
well i hate this site to be closed but iam sure there will be an other
site to pick up on to glorify the animal magic used by certain entertainers ……………………………..
May 15th, 2011 at 6:35 pm »
A quote from Hugh:
After several days being unable to access the blog, Hugh, I’ve taken Barry’s great advice and stuffed blogger.com where the sun don’t shine in lieu of wordpress.com
The link for the new site is as follows: http://urbgraffiti.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/beer-mystic-a-novel-of-inebriation-light-by-bart-plantenga-2/
May 16th, 2011 at 5:34 pm »
Thanks for all this, Jurgen & Gaby
(Lucas not withstanding).
I truly hope Lucas will “survive” both of you.
Just to finish on one particular, +/- comic / serious ánd FZ related note :
There’ s for instance :
the acclaimed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imAWVWi5PIU .
Yes that’s very fine.
However there is the filler material, which always without execption , to be better than the rest. It’s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvLNFmBTPQ
OK, just 1868 people watched it so far.
It’s genuine valediction. The synthesis of FZ inspiration, from Varese to the free improvisation movement when he started composing.
For KUR (geweetweldienenjurgenvanwervik)
Dawemoetendeurgegoanendattgjensimplespelis.
For Gaby.
Abrazos. And educate – the best way , whatever it is- Lucas, the guy. He deserves it.
Companeros. Un abrazo.
(sorry ‘ bout this, J & G: the most difficult task in human life is to educte children. I hope you will manage. No drug dealers, etc. )
May 17th, 2011 at 2:40 am »
A quote from urbangraffito:
False start. No problem. See you there UrbanG.
See you Barry!
Thanks for the link Bernard. I never saw “Food Gathering” before.
May 17th, 2011 at 2:12 pm »
A quote from ABOOK:
ABOOK, you are a madman. When you stole that cow, and your friend tried to make it with the cow. I want to party with you, cowboy. If the two of us together, forget it…
I’m gonna go out on a limb here. I’m gonna volunteer my leadership to this website. An army without leaders is like a foot without a big toe. And Urbangraffitoe isn’t always gonna be here to be that big toe for us. I think that we owe a big round of applause to our newest, bestest buddy, and big toe…Urbangraffitoe.
May 17th, 2011 at 6:13 pm »
You’ll see (age permitting) : doing thigs the old fashioned way will keep coming back.
Things such as
- Writing a book. Did it before.
-Doing things the serious way (for instance : playing real musical instruments)
Etc.
AmI growing old? I’m just 57years old.
Ok, the ultimate confession. I’m a European social democrat. I like stubborn people. Agiegodverdommeklopt ipdetaefelmn.
I like the social aspect. (Dazediejooitvergetenendervanallesbleuvenvoarendoenomzevoartthelpen).
I like both high and low culture.
I like progress, the human way.That’s about (the economist, which I am, is talking now) genuine innovation. And it should be made available to broad audiences.
Thus : this blog was about dessemination.
The way to go for a new future.
May 18th, 2011 at 7:08 pm »
So nice to have met you all! Don’t forget to practice your Kegelmasters and defrost your fridge periodically (there might be a mammoth inthere).
Farewel KUR!!!